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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
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Old May 18 2013, 02:01 AM   #2716
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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you gotta wonder Alexander Marcus was like before the destruction of Vulcan. Was he a straight and narrow starfleet officer like Christopher Pike or was he always this corrupt?
He's in Section 31.
which is like what? Black Ops?
What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:14 AM   #2717
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He's in Section 31.
which is like what? Black Ops?
What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:16 AM   #2718
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Found an article by Jason Bailey. http://flavorwire.com/391410/guess-w...never-happenedEarlier this year, the MPAA released their annual statistical rundown of who goes to the movies — and guess what, women go. More than men."

So PLEASE guys, you probably have one more shot to do this right plus the ongoing comic series and maybe an animated series and maybe a live Trek series... Please stop sidelining female characters.
Huh? I don't get it. Did some part of the research say that these women prefer to see women on screen? There was plenty of male eye-candy in this movie, and I enjoyed the characterisations. I just want good characters. I don't care what sex they are.

I don't need all the male characters "balanced out" by corresponding female characters. In fact, I specifically don't want to see characters whom I like and whose chemistry with other characters I appreciate, pushed out of the picture to elevate or shoehorn in some female character. I just want to see characters have a natural, organic place in the whole. I'm not counting.

Also, I don't need to see female 'role models' to feel 'empowered' or 'relevant'. I can relate to male role models just as well, and I am empowered all on my own, thanks very much.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:16 AM   #2719
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mattman8907 wrote: View Post
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which is like what? Black Ops?
What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
Hopefully, this incident brings them out of the shadows and Starfleet disbands them when people find out they exist.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:17 AM   #2720
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Critical mass: Rotten Tomatoes has 201 reviews now, as compared with 257 for Iron Man 3, so we're probably close to the end with it. It has remained at 87%.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:24 AM   #2721
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which is like what? Black Ops?
What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
We have no idea what all it has "caused". For every gaffe we saw on screen they may have committed many more acts which preserved lives and furthered Federation agendas.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:25 AM   #2722
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sad it was doing so well in the 90s, i just don't like critics that say "really, don't see this movie, it sucks so bad, i lost the will to live"
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Old May 18 2013, 02:26 AM   #2723
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sad it was doing so well in the 90s, i just don't like critics that say "really, don't see this movie, it sucks so bad, i lost the will to live"
I don't like that several reviews complain it isn't old Trek.

Ho hum.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:26 AM   #2724
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What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
Hopefully, this incident brings them out of the shadows and Starfleet disbands them when people find out they exist.
I expect a very public disbanding may a part of Section 31's plans. Marcus is far too easy with throwing around Section 31's name, even if he did think those he told were never coming back. How does he know they didn't send off an email about it prior to their planned deaths?

But if it disbands there will be speeches full of Roddenberry ideals about not losing what makes us human as we try and preserve humanity blah blah and everyone will pat themselves on the back and Section 31 will continue, more covert than ever.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:27 AM   #2725
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mattman8907 wrote: View Post
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which is like what? Black Ops?
What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.
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Old May 18 2013, 02:59 AM   #2726
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i saw it again tonight, with a packed sold out theater. Something didn't even hit me before. I now know how Spock Prime told NuSpock how they beat Khan. Once again, Khan is taken out by a torpedo. Of all the Trek II references, that one went completely over my head the first time.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:01 AM   #2727
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Seen the movie twice now, A+

It is better than the first one, the issues I had with the first one are mostly gone, still some slight issues with the bud wiser plant stuff, but much improved over the first one. That's my only complaint really. I felt this movie had more substance, and a better story. I also enjoyed the myriad of filming locations and scenes this time. I really liked the parts off the ship, on Earth, very nicely done. I enjoyed making the Enterprise a star of the show, like it is an actual character to the show. I enjoyed all the homages of course.

Yep, much better than the first one, I'll be seeing it a couple more times at least, plan to go see it with my sister and a friend tomorrow, can't wait to see their reactions.
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What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.
granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.
It seemed to me that Marcus himself, started Section-31, after he found Khan in this Trek Universe.

Up to the point that the Narada showed up, it didn't seem likely that Section-31 would have been needed, again, in the JJ-universe.
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Old May 18 2013, 03:11 AM   #2729
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granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.
they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.
It seemed to me that Marcus himself, started Section-31, after he found Khan in this Trek Universe.
I think it existed before, he just took over it now, i.e. the man in charge right now. It sounded like to me it was there before him from this movie.
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Nah. 31 is around in Enterprise. They get their hooks into Reed.
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