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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.73%
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Old May 17 2013, 10:26 PM   #2641
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention. Uhura ACTUALLY GOT BE A LINGUIST.

Some of the shots were just gorgeous, too. The one where the Enterprise plummets beneath the clouds, and then rises up was just stunning.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:28 PM   #2642
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I dunno if anyone noticed, but it looked like Kirk was sparkling when he was in the reactor and looking up at it >_>
For some reason, my prescription glasses seem to somehow mute the 3-D effect through the 3-D glasses, so I might have to see it in 2D to fully appreciate all the nuances of the effects.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:32 PM   #2643
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Is anyone still reviewing this movie on this thread?

I liked it. A lot. It wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it.

What I liked:
  • Someone acknowledging that Kirk doesn't really have the experience for his job.
  • Scotty resigning on principle
  • The Augment Torpedoes. (I didn't know it was Khan, but I knew it was Khan as soon as I saw him surrender to those torpedoes filled with his men.)
  • Chekov seeming less than thrilled with getting a red shirt.
  • Starfleet, or at least Marcus personally, overreacting to the loss of Vulcan. It makes them seem more human.
  • The Botany Bay' discovery resulting from butterflies coming from Vulcan rather than Spock telling anyone about it or the Enterprise fulfilling its destiny to find it.
  • The homages to The Wrath of Khan.
  • Spock's roaring rampage of revenge. Yes it is out character for the Spock we all knew and loved. But that Spock never had to watch Kirk die as a young man and certainly never had to see Vulcan die around him.
  • The mystery who the villian was. At first I thought it was annoying and very much wanted to know. Then I decided that I would try to stay as unspoiled as possible. Then I started piecing the clues together. I went in suspecting Khan, but wouldn't have been surprised if it was someone else.

What I didn't like:
  • Why did Spock, or anyone, need to personally dive into a volcano?
  • The homages to the Wrath of Khan. (Yes, I both loved and hated them.)
  • Why weren't ANY ships around Earth to at least help evacuate the Enterprise. I wouldn't be surprised if more space traffic was flying over my head right now than there was as the Enterprise fell.
  • Was there a Klingon Neutral Zone in 2259?
  • Was it just me or did it look like a moon was crashing into Kronos? (Or: Why did Praxis explode thirty years early?)
  • Why would Khan be recruited to design weapons? Yes, I actually could understand why Marcus would want a more savage person to advise him on defending the Federation, but why waste time teaching Khan to manipulate modern technology when it would have been easier to show him the modern toys and ask what he would do with them.

What Spock should let the 2250s know:
  • Khan
  • The Borg
  • The Planet Eater
  • The Whale Probe
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Old May 17 2013, 10:33 PM   #2644
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Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention. Uhura ACTUALLY GOT BE A LINGUIST.
One of my favorite moments, yeah

I liked the Klingons. Hopefully we'll see more of them at some point.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:42 PM   #2645
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Xaios wrote: View Post
Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention. Uhura ACTUALLY GOT BE A LINGUIST.

Some of the shots were just gorgeous, too. The one where the Enterprise plummets beneath the clouds, and then rises up was just stunning.
I was happy that she was stronger in this one, but we still had to gratuitous butt-shot when she was approaching the Klingons. Took me out of the movie. Small complaint, but we don't need to be reminded Zoe Saldana is a beautiful woman. She shows that on-screen. I thought her performance on Kronos was great. From standing up to Kirk and demanding that she talk to them, to her conversation in Klingon with them, what was said about "honor," to the confusion over Harrison taking out every Klingon and the fear that was on her face when she approached the landing party. The suspension of disbelief during that scene was at an all-time high. I really enjoyed Kronos.

But I have a question, on another topic. Why would Khan put his crew in danger by not securing the torpedoes before he started killing people? And if they are launched, wouldn't it kill his crew? I mean, we saw the things explode, destroying the Vengeance. So didn't he put them more at risk by trying to kill Starfleet officers and NOT having the torpedoes? It's been a day and I wasn't thinking about it until this morning. So I am asking in earnest if there's something I missed.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:48 PM   #2646
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Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention. Uhura ACTUALLY GOT BE A LINGUIST.
One of my favorite moments, yeah

I liked the Klingons. Hopefully we'll see more of them at some point.
I think we'll see the Klingon war in the next one.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:00 PM   #2647
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Xaios wrote: View Post
Oh yeah, something I forgot to mention. Uhura ACTUALLY GOT BE A LINGUIST.

Some of the shots were just gorgeous, too. The one where the Enterprise plummets beneath the clouds, and then rises up was just stunning.
I was happy that she was stronger in this one, but we still had to gratuitous butt-shot when she was approaching the Klingons. Took me out of the movie. Small complaint, but we don't need to be reminded Zoe Saldana is a beautiful woman. She shows that on-screen. I thought her performance on Kronos was great. From standing up to Kirk and demanding that she talk to them, to her conversation in Klingon with them, what was said about "honor," to the confusion over Harrison taking out every Klingon and the fear that was on her face when she approached the landing party. The suspension of disbelief during that scene was at an all-time high. I really enjoyed Kronos.

But I have a question, on another topic. Why would Khan put his crew in danger by not securing the torpedoes before he started killing people? And if they are launched, wouldn't it kill his crew? I mean, we saw the things explode, destroying the Vengeance. So didn't he put them more at risk by trying to kill Starfleet officers and NOT having the torpedoes? It's been a day and I wasn't thinking about it until this morning. So I am asking in earnest if there's something I missed.
Spock had Actual Warheads put back into the torpedoes, when they took Khans 'family' out.

My question is, Why didn't Khan realize that there weren't any Actual People in the tubes at the point he beamed them over to the Vengeance... ? ...
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Old May 17 2013, 11:00 PM   #2648
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why the writers felt so lazy as to just rehash surface beats from Star Trek II. Instead of taking important stuff (Like the depth surrounding getting old!), they just took a bunch of famous lines and used them in increasingly cheesy ways.
I'm not sure why people are so fixated on 4 or 5 lines, rather than the rest of the movie. It's like 2 minutes vs 130.

If I disinter your meaning correctly, you found the drama around Kirk's "age" dilemma to be the heart of TWOK. I felt that this movie looked at exactly the same thing from the opposite side.

In TWOK, Kirk has lost the Enterprise. When circumstances hand her back to him he's had a crisis of confidence and is making mistakes. He has experience on his side but is feeling "old". Then when they face the ultimate enemy, Kirk's native smarts and Kirkian "I don't like to lose" attitude kicks in and he snatches victory from the jaws of defeat. But not without great cost.

In STID, Kirk has lost the Enterprise. When circumstances hand her back to him he's had a crisis of confidence and is making mistakes. He has youth on his side but is feeling his inexperience. Then when they face the ultimate enemy, Kirk's native smarts and Kirkian "I don't like to lose" attitude kicks in and he snatches victory from the jaws of defeat. But not without great cost.

When Kirk says his "logical" sacrifice is "what you would have done", there's this distant echo to a future that will never be. When Spock says his outsmarting Khan by giving him what he wanted is what Kirk would have done, there is an additional acknowledgement that they actually understand each other better than they thought they did -- again resonating with future echoes of a future that, at that moment, will never be. I found it to be really, gut-wrenchingly sad (even though it was obvious this wasn't the final gambit).

I admit, that on first viewing I too was distracted by the repeated lines. It takes you out of the emotion of the scene, something you never quite recover in repeated viewings. But I can see that there is a dramatic symmetry that they were trying to achieve, and to a large extent, that worked beautifully for me. While TWOK is a slow, thoughtful, steady build, like a pulse, STID is an adrenaline-charged, enthusiastic roller-coaster -- but again, that suits the contrast of considered experience over youthful vigour.

The more you see the film, the more you appreciate the effort and heart this young cast is putting into telling this story from the other end of a legendary journey.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:08 PM   #2649
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Old May 17 2013, 11:09 PM   #2650
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Or: Why did Praxis explode thirty years early?
Perhaps they cranked their industry up to eleven in response to the Narada incursion and/or the loss of Vulcan?
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Old May 17 2013, 11:16 PM   #2651
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I believe that arrogance and stupidity go hand-in-hand. This was exemplified when Khan didn't check the torpedoes. So, for me, this wasn't an issue.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:18 PM   #2652
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Who are those people, and why are you linking to their blog?
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Old May 17 2013, 11:20 PM   #2653
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My favorite part ( which is small, insignificant, and silly....my trek pet peeve).... They had seatbelts!! I always complain about the lack of seatbelts in Voyager...

Seatbelts in Filmation's TAS by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
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Old May 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #2654
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Who are those people, and why are you linking to their blog?
They do Star Trek audio blogs. They've had cast from previous series on their blogs before. They review the film.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #2655
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Question: Is Star Dead?
Answer: No.

Moving on.
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