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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.38%
A 161 21.67%
A- 100 13.46%
B+ 82 11.04%
B 58 7.81%
B- 27 3.63%
C+ 40 5.38%
C 38 5.11%
C- 24 3.23%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.75%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.71%
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Old May 17 2013, 08:56 PM   #2611
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Sorry if this has been answered already.

Why does Chris Hemsworth recieve a credit in the end credits as George Kirk?
Used his voice when Kirk is coming back to life.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:58 PM   #2612
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Thanks, that was my assumption.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:04 PM   #2613
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I support the President and voted for him, but the one thing I find very objectionable about him is that he has not differentiated himself from Bush much with regard to national security. So I very much appreciate the Star Trek writers taking a stand on the shit that's gone down in my country since 9/11/2001. I was really shocked at something so explicit - and it's not momentary or cursory; Kirk comes back to the theme in his address at Starfleet which ends the film.

Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:05 PM   #2614
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There were several lines I'd hope they would have lifted from the original "Space Seed" episode. When Khan says his name to Kirk, if only Kirk could have said, "Khan, nothing else?"

McCoy has a line in that episode that's my all-time favorite.

"Well, either choke me or cut my throat, make up your mind."

But the plot didn't really call for that line anyplace.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:06 PM   #2615
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I have a question. Did Cupcake survive in the firefight with the Klingons? I watched but everything happened so fast in the action, I never saw what happened to him.
Yep, they both did. Cuz they took off their red shirts

Poor Chekov and his look of terror
Back before his chewing out by Pike, didn't Kirk brag to Spock that he hadn't lost a crewman the entire year he was in command? Cupcake should've been the first. Oh, well.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:09 PM   #2616
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The "message" in this movie that startled and pleased me was this one: it's immoral to kill people with remote missiles without benefit of trial. Wow...imagine that.
How very much like TOS of it, to have such a metaphor.
Very TOS, but I don't think it can be called a metaphor or even an allegory - can it? A remote missile is a remote missile rather than symbolically representing...a remote missile.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:09 PM   #2617
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In discussing it with a buddy of mine, we both agreed that it may have been cooler had they awoken someone else out of stasis rather than Khan. Even though it is an alternate reality, seriously, what were the chances they awaken the same person as Kirk did?

Personally, if they had awoken someone else, it would have been surreal if when the camera panned over the rest of the others in stasis, if we did see someone that looked like Ricardo. My gripe was just, from the time the Botany Bay was in space, it shouldn't have been affected by the changes in the realities, so theoretically, shouldn't Khan resemble his TOS counterpart? I wouldn't mind, it was just that Cumberbatch, to me, doesn't have any sort of resemblance to Montalban. Plus he speaks with a British accent, but, hey, that's just me.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:10 PM   #2618
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If they're going to do "Space Seed" I'd have felt cheated if it were anyone but Kha-a-a-a-a-a-an!
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Old May 17 2013, 09:10 PM   #2619
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I support the President and voted for him, but the one thing I find very objectionable about him is that he has not differentiated himself from Bush much with regard to national security. So I very much appreciate the Star Trek writers taking a stand on the shit that's gone down in my country since 9/11/2001. I was really shocked at something so explicit - and it's not momentary or cursory; Kirk comes back to the theme in his address at Starfleet which ends the film.

Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.

He actually has differentiated himself from Bush. We are now shipping arms to our enemies, we are using drones more often to wack a terrorist than capturing them for intelligence purposes. There are more drone strikes under Obama then Bush, and Obama has no problem using them against citizens without due process. So there are big big differences if you pay attention.

I am glad Trek has gone back to doing social commentary, it throws the ideas out there, you don't have to agree with it, but it throws the questions out there for it to be discussed.


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Old May 17 2013, 09:16 PM   #2620
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I support the President and voted for him, but the one thing I find very objectionable about him is that he has not differentiated himself from Bush much with regard to national security. So I very much appreciate the Star Trek writers taking a stand on the shit that's gone down in my country since 9/11/2001. I was really shocked at something so explicit - and it's not momentary or cursory; Kirk comes back to the theme in his address at Starfleet which ends the film.

Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.
When Kirk screamed at Khan I actually thought he was going to say "You are a terrorist!" Using the word "criminal" instead appears to have been a deliberately alternate choice of phrasing.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:23 PM   #2621
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In discussing it with a buddy of mine, we both agreed that it may have been cooler had they awoken someone else out of stasis rather than Khan. Even though it is an alternate reality, seriously, what were the chances they awaken the same person as Kirk did?

Personally, if they had awoken someone else, it would have been surreal if when the camera panned over the rest of the others in stasis, if we did see someone that looked like Ricardo. My gripe was just, from the time the Botany Bay was in space, it shouldn't have been affected by the changes in the realities, so theoretically, shouldn't Khan resemble his TOS counterpart? I wouldn't mind, it was just that Cumberbatch, to me, doesn't have any sort of resemblance to Montalban. Plus he speaks with a British accent, but, hey, that's just me.
I agree. Khan was just a nod to the Star Trek fans that wanted to see him. He's really a bland character that could've been played by any superman. They could've done this story with anyone in the 23rd century on another planet. Aided in help from an alien race that hasn't evolved to the point humans have. A little makeup on the British guy, and a completely different movie.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:25 PM   #2622
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The "message" in this movie that startled and pleased me was this one: it's immoral to kill people with remote missiles without benefit of trial. Wow...imagine that.
How very much like TOS of it, to have such a metaphor.
Very TOS, but I don't think it can be called a metaphor or even an allegory - can it? A remote missile is a remote missile rather than symbolically representing...a remote missile.
They just didn't use the word "drone", IIRC.

But, yeah, I puzzled over that before I wrote it: those were 23rd century magic fantasy torpedoes, as opposed to Hellfires. If allegory and metaphor aren't words for it, what is?
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Old May 17 2013, 09:26 PM   #2623
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I support the President and voted for him, but the one thing I find very objectionable about him is that he has not differentiated himself from Bush much with regard to national security. So I very much appreciate the Star Trek writers taking a stand on the shit that's gone down in my country since 9/11/2001. I was really shocked at something so explicit - and it's not momentary or cursory; Kirk comes back to the theme in his address at Starfleet which ends the film.

Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.

He actually has differentiated himself from Bush. We are now shipping arms to our enemies, we are using drones more often to wack a terrorist than capturing them for intelligence purposes. There are more drone strikes under Obama then Bush, and Obama has no problem using them against citizens without due process. So there are big big differences if you pay attention.

I am glad Trek has gone back to doing social commentary, it throws the ideas out there, you don't have to agree with it, but it throws the questions out there for it to be discussed.


-Chris
I agree that is in the film. I just think there's no one who gives a good argument for the better angels of our nature. Everyone acts terribly (not the actors' craft, but the character's choices). And saying what should be done at the end, doesn't do it for me. I think it asks an important question, but it's not fully fleshed out because we don't have 4 hours and there's an action movie to make! I think it could've been done better. Good Trek, good effort, but not done well enough for me to see this movie over and over again.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:29 PM   #2624
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In discussing it with a buddy of mine, we both agreed that it may have been cooler had they awoken someone else out of stasis rather than Khan. Even though it is an alternate reality, seriously, what were the chances they awaken the same person as Kirk did?
Because Khan was their leader, and according to the principle laid out in "Space Seed", his chamber is programmed to be activated first, to see if the conditions allowed for awakening of the others.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:30 PM   #2625
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One other little cool effect I liked in the film, when they order clear all moorings, we finally see stuff being disconnected from the hull Also the view from the space station as Enterprise pulled away was nice. I really like the hybrid "view screen / window"


I also assume the thrusters we see fired on the bottom of the saucer are used for re-entry so Enterprise can land in a dock on the ground, or in the water


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