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Old May 16 2013, 07:03 PM   #31
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

Lt. Uhura-Brown wrote: View Post
I always wondered what her history was with Q, and how she'd ever be able to hold her own in a battle with a seemingly near-omnipotent entity.
Well, let's put it in context with the actual dialog:
PICARD: You know him?
GUINAN: We have had some dealings.
Q: Those dealings were two centuries ago. This creature is not what she appears to be. She's an imp, and where she goes, trouble always follows.
PICARD: You're speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan.
Q: Guinan? Is that your name now?

It's not a matter of her holding her own. Q was probably taunting her kind the way he taunts the Enterprise crew. He could dispense with her as he could with anything else. But within the boundaries of not eradicating her, she was able to surprise and fool Q to some degree.

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I felt like there was more unresolved between her and Picard's history also. Stuff not solved by the Mark Twain story.
Something I'd like to understand as well. Guinan says how she and Picard have a special relationship that "goes deeper than friends." Lovers? Not so sure about that. In any event, I suspect there was supposed to be another back story episode to cover it and they weren't able to get to it before the series ended.

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Yes. She does do a lot of useful things in the series. When she sensed that the time line had changed in "Yesterdays Enterprise", she immediately brought it to Picard's attention in the best she could. She didn't play the mystery role by telling Picard "Hey, things are different. You should figure it out." And even though she didn't bring up the Borg in "Q Who" until the Enterprise encountered them, she did warn Picard to leave before that would happen. Would telling Picard about the Borg make any difference since Picard's mindset to any creature in the galaxy was "We are ready to encounter it!"?
If it weren't for Guinan, Picard would've run things per usual and the timeline would never have been reset. Essentially, Guinan saved billions of lives. There's something to be said for that!
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Old May 17 2013, 08:50 PM   #32
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

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Guinan's main purpose as a character is to be someone outside the chain-of-command to whom the main characters can confide or get her advice. She also provides Picard with a friend who's not under his command. By virtue of her position and her age, she's able to see things from the outside and understand the big picture in ways the other characters can't.
Thing is, when you put it like that, it just shows up what an utter failure Troi was as a character. Most of that - between her medical-dept job and her empathic powers - should have been her role, and if she'd been better-handled they wouldn't have had a gap for Guinan!

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I always wondered what her history was with Q, and how she'd ever be able to hold her own in a battle with a seemingly near-omnipotent entity.
The thing to remember about Q is that powerful as he is, and as terrible a person as he ultimately is, he's fundamentally more mouth than trousers. He taunts, he annoys, and occasionally stings, but he enjoys playing the trickster too much to actually bring his power really to bear. So, like the archetypical bully, even a tiny little fleabite at his own dignity by an 'imp' hurts a lot.

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If it weren't for Guinan, Picard would've run things per usual and the timeline would never have been reset. Essentially, Guinan saved billions of lives. There's something to be said for that!
Works in reverse too - from a strictly utilitarian POV, resetting the timeline probably remade more lives than it unmade, true, but there are certainly "reverse" Tashas who lived in the YE timeline and died in the Prime timeline, not to mention kids who were never born because their parents never met and so forth...
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Old May 17 2013, 09:10 PM   #33
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

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Third Nacelle wrote: View Post
Guinan's main purpose as a character is to be someone outside the chain-of-command to whom the main characters can confide or get her advice. She also provides Picard with a friend who's not under his command. By virtue of her position and her age, she's able to see things from the outside and understand the big picture in ways the other characters can't.
Thing is, when you put it like that, it just shows up what an utter failure Troi was as a character. Most of that - between her medical-dept job and her empathic powers - should have been her role, and if she'd been better-handled they wouldn't have had a gap for Guinan!
Sometimes man will tell his bartender things he'll never tell his doctor.

Troi could never fill the role of Guinan because Troi is Starfleet through and through, the problems the crew faces are her problems. She is not the outsider that Guinan is. Geordi would never go to Troi for advice on picking up women, Data would not depend on Troi to teach Lal about humanity.

Picard goes to Deanna when he needs close-up focus on an issue, he goes to Guinan when he needs to back away from the trees to see the forest, when he needs perspective.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:24 PM   #34
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

Perfect example in Q Who:

PICARD: You know him?
GUINAN: We have had some dealings.

Is that an answer?

She is so wise and old, and btw, when did she sa"Oh, I know the solution of this problems, you just do this and that"?

She's a noying.
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Old May 21 2013, 01:44 PM   #35
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

Well, she was more useful than Troi. That's always something...
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Old May 22 2013, 02:43 AM   #36
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Re: Did Guinan EVER did or said something useful?

I'd rather turn the question around and ask whether Guinan has ever said something superfluous or pointless.
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