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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.33%
A 161 21.61%
A- 100 13.42%
B+ 82 11.01%
B 58 7.79%
B- 27 3.62%
C+ 40 5.37%
C 38 5.10%
C- 25 3.36%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.83%
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Old May 17 2013, 09:54 AM   #2506
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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And, can someone answer this question, what were those vehicles that Spock and Khan fought on.
In of the many interviews released it's either Quinto or Cumberbatch describing those as garbage scows.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:57 AM   #2507
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So did Spock mind meld with the dying Pike to comfort him? That's how I saw it, he saw Pike was afraid and reached out.
That was my take on it. Unlike what someone else posted, I don't feel that he did it just to experience what someone felt when dying. Having done that though, of course it would impact him, but he wouldn't have done it other than to comfort Pike.

Pike was more at ease when Spock melded with him. It helped him to die, if that is possible.
That reminds me of a bit I loved in the final fight. Khan has Spock's head and is doing his skull-crushing finishing move, and Spock counters with a mind meld! Khan screamed and let go. Spock was fighting dirty. It was awesome.

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And, can someone answer this question, what were those vehicles that Spock and Khan fought on.
I'd been wondering that too. My guess is automated trash haulers, kinda like we saw in Firefly. I don't recall seeing any windows or hint that there was a driver.

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There were a lot of strange craft flying in San Francisco and London. Before the big chase between Khan and Spock, there was that weird vehicle that looked like a flea lifting off the ground.
I can't wait to get the DVD and see what easter eggs they snuck in there. The last movie had the First Contact Vulcan ship and an ENT Romulan Bird of Prey in the Narada's hangar, and an ENT Vulcan ship zipping through the sky on Vulcan.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:00 AM   #2508
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Native Americans were astounded by European ships. They included accounts of them in their histories. I think the inhabitants of that planet will likewise do the same with the Enterprise. Personally, I feel there is a difference between a people seeing an alien craft and people being given advanced alien technology.

For scientists, how would a cold fusion device shut down a volcano? And how was that volcano a threat to the planet? Save for the village perched on the slope of the volcano, it didn't seem very threatening to the planet. Super volcanoes are massive - this volcano didn't seem massive to me.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:09 AM   #2509
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And, can someone answer this question, what were those vehicles that Spock and Khan fought on.
In of the many interviews released it's either Quinto or Cumberbatch describing those as garbage scows.
Ah, thank you! I assumed correctly
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Old May 17 2013, 10:19 AM   #2510
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For scientists, how would a cold fusion device shut down a volcano?
The same way red matter makes a black hole.

And how was that volcano a threat to the planet?
The same way the Hobus supernova was a threat to the galaxy.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:20 AM   #2511
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Hey guys, just saw the movie and I thought it was fantastic. Just wanted to throw out a few things Bob Orci said over at Trek Movie since I saw everyone discussing them.

The Enterprise underwater- Basically the interference from the erupting Volcano would not allow them to transport without direct line of sight and they couldn't get close enough with shuttlecraft without risking being seen.

Khan's blood being uses instead of another cryo sleeper. Basically, Bones wasn't going to risk killing another cryo sleeper, since the unfreezing process was tricky, when there was still a chance they could get Khan. Also, he had no idea that anyone's blood other than Khan's would work since he has seen what happened with the tribble. Since Kirk was on ice time wasn't really of the essence, they had a chance to let things play out.

Also, the blood itself did not just save Kirk. It was a starting point for a serum that Bones created to reverse the radiation damage by restoring the cells. They had to make sure he wasn't still iradiated after the procedure.

Now, I would like to speculate on Khan's appearance. Since he was working for Section 31 and they value their secrecy and planning, I would assume that he was forced to undergo plastic surgery to fit in with his new cover identity. It really is the only logical conclusion I can come up with. Thanks for reading.
About Khan. Yeah I thought more about the change in appearance-and why no one seemed to care much about him revealing his real name-was possibly due to him being surgically altered. That rationalization makes me not hate the change as much as I did upon leaving the theater yesterday.

I liked your explanations for some of the other things that happened in the film as well. Not sure if I agree with them, but at least you make the arguments well.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:31 AM   #2512
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I found the engineering as depicted in this movie wonky. I have already written a thread about the differences between this Enterprise and earlier Enterprises. Warp power goes - there goes the ship.

The worst flaw was the reactor core. How do people service that thing? There are no catwalks. And how does that thing work? I am incapable of understanding how that thing works. I feel there was more thought put into the earlier ships than this one.

And, I learned that this ship has not one, but two shuttlebays. The second shuttlebay has a ingress/egress hatch on the side of the ship. And that this ship has multiple launch tubes located on both sides of the hull. The more I write, the sillier this ship gets.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:37 AM   #2513
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And how does that thing work? I am incapable of understanding how that thing works.
Good point. That rules it out as plausible 23rd century technology.
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Old May 17 2013, 10:40 AM   #2514
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I have to say, seeing so much of 23rd century San Francisco was pretty awesome. On my next viewing I'll try to determine what streets they're showing. It almost looked like they ran down Howard St. but I can't be sure.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:09 AM   #2515
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I'm going to put a list together when i am more awake today, but one thing we have always heard aboutbuting haven't seen before are mooring clamps. They are always telling the helm to clear them, and it was finally nice to see them and the Enterprise cast off away from the dock.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:20 AM   #2516
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I have finally seen the movie, and wow... I was blown away... I totally loved everything about the film..! I think the characters were very well written, especially the dynamics between Kirk and Spock; their evolving friendship and the theme of self-sacrifice forms the heart of the film, and to me, this felt more like ST than most other ST Movies... It's a shame that so many reviewers are over-analysing story details, just like what happened in 1980 with The Empire Strikes Back... It may be hard to imagine now, but back then, TESB got very mixed reviews...

STID reminds me somewhat of Monsters Inc. If you analyse the story, it makes no sense that there's a CDA, since the head knows that children aren't poisonous... Over analyse story-details of Monsters Inc. and you could come to the conclusion that it's a bad plot and therefor a bad movie... But then you miss all the wonderful humour, and the wonderful chemistry between the characters... For me, STID is the same.
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Old May 17 2013, 11:21 AM   #2517
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I'm going to put a list together when i am more awake today, but one thing we have always heard aboutbuting haven't seen before are mooring clamps. They are always telling the helm to clear them, and it was finally nice to see them and the Enterprise cast off away from the dock.
Was just about to put this in the favorite scene thread. Surely one of the better Enterprise sequences in this film, I'm pleased we got so many this time, and that the ship may be finally viewed on screen from so many angles and perspectives, as opposed to the first movie.

The new impulse drive at the end is awful, btw. The oval one was better, so 50's...
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Old May 17 2013, 11:39 AM   #2518
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went to the nine o'clock showing last night and the theater was deserted. there was a total of 6 people there and 4 of them were with me.it was playing on four screens and i checked all of them and there was virtually no one there.i wonder how well this movie will do?box office mojo said it made 2 mil, but great gatsby made double that. thats not a very good sign.......
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Old May 17 2013, 12:05 PM   #2519
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went to the nine o'clock showing last night and the theater was deserted. there was a total of 6 people there and 4 of them were with me.it was playing on four screens and i checked all of them and there was virtually no one there.i wonder how well this movie will do?box office mojo said it made 2 mil, but great gatsby made double that. thats not a very good sign.......
I live in a small community and we don't usually have anyone in the movie theaters. For instance, I saw '09 and Contagion, The Adjustment Bureau, and The Dark Knight Rises in an empty theater. There were 10 people in the theater during the performance I went to.
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Old May 17 2013, 12:10 PM   #2520
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I forgot to say this about Khan. This man no way resembles II's version. He is more menacing, smarter, and a more sympathetic character (at least for awhile). Watching Enterprise crew members fly out of the ship because a Federation ship was firing on them at warp, is heartbreaking for those that value Starfleet. I thought Spock was incredibly well-written and well-acted, in his dialogue. Just some other thoughts on the movie.
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