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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 139 19.39%
A 157 21.90%
A- 98 13.67%
B+ 77 10.74%
B 58 8.09%
B- 27 3.77%
C+ 38 5.30%
C 37 5.16%
C- 23 3.21%
D+ 11 1.53%
D 13 1.81%
D- 6 0.84%
F 33 4.60%
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Old May 16 2013, 10:55 PM   #2401
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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^ While valid examples, were any of those three examples ones that could have been used en masse to prevent people from dying? It seems to me they were rather specialized cases.
In The Neutral Zone, three people with three different ailments who all died three hundred years prior were all brought back to life with seemingly no issues.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:56 PM   #2402
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A repost to pick the collective forum brain...

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Question - when they arrive at Kronos we can see what appears to be an exploded moon in close proximity. Is this a result of:

a) Nero's attack against the Klingons in ST09;

b) Overmining, caused by fear in the wake of Vulcan's destruction, causing Praxis' environment disaster to come 30 years early;

c) Canon cock ups by the writers causing Praxis' environment disaster to come 30 years early.
All three could be contributing factors.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:58 PM   #2403
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

just saw the movie. it was awesome. don't care about the fact that Khan was white. Benedict Cumberbatch did an awesome job. will see this movie a couple more times.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:58 PM   #2404
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It's one of those things that this "reboot" has done well, there is a lot of interesting stuff like that in it which gets us thinking about possibilities.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:59 PM   #2405
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^ While valid examples, were any of those three examples ones that could have been used en masse to prevent people from dying? It seems to me they were rather specialized cases.
In The Neutral Zone, three people with three different ailments who all died three hundred years prior were all brought back to life with seemingly no issues.
But they were frozen at death. And all three had curable issues in the 24 century.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:01 PM   #2406
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^ While valid examples, were any of those three examples ones that could have been used en masse to prevent people from dying? It seems to me they were rather specialized cases.
In The Neutral Zone, three people with three different ailments who all died three hundred years prior were all brought back to life with seemingly no issues.
Very true
Magic blood didn't bug me at all I actually thought it gave MCcoy a nice moment to shine
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Old May 16 2013, 11:01 PM   #2407
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Old May 16 2013, 11:01 PM   #2408
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I'll just pick one:

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4. Oh yeah, we managed to cure death... I'm surprised they weren't throwing Khan a frikin parade at the end!
See The Changeling (TOS), The Neutral Zone (TNG) and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
I can speak to the TNG-Neutral Zone example. I assume those people were cured of diseases for which cures were now found. So you take them out of cryosleep and it's a simple fix.

Search for Spock: Genesis was not a plot device, it was a plot point central to both this and TWOK. Secondly, it's not a magical death cure, but requires complete obliteration of life on a planet to create new life.

Changeling: haven't seen it in a LOOONG time so I can't speak to it.

Regardless, none of these instances are magically convenient plot device cures. The way Khan's blood is positioned (with no resolution might I add), it's just a magic cure.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:03 PM   #2409
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Getting ready to go see it now. Noticed Rotten Tomatoes is up to 88% with almost 170 reviews. Quite a triumph on the heels of ST09. I plan on going into the movie to enjoy it, If something hits me over the head as illogical I'll mention it but I'm not going to dissect every scene of it as i watch it. If it flows, has pace, and is internally consistent I'll probably like it a lot.

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Old May 16 2013, 11:04 PM   #2410
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^ While valid examples, were any of those three examples ones that could have been used en masse to prevent people from dying? It seems to me they were rather specialized cases.
In The Neutral Zone, three people with three different ailments who all died three hundred years prior were all brought back to life with seemingly no issues.
But they were frozen at death. And all three had curable issues in the 24 century.
But they were DEAD. If they can cure death in TNG without everyone's panties getting in a bunch then they should be able to cure death in a Trek movie without everyone's panties getting in a bunch.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:08 PM   #2411
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In The Neutral Zone, three people with three different ailments who all died three hundred years prior were all brought back to life with seemingly no issues.
But they were frozen at death. And all three had curable issues in the 24 century.
But they were DEAD. If they can cure death in TNG without everyone's panties getting in a bunch then they should be able to cure death in a Trek movie without everyone's panties getting in a bunch.
They most likely could have been resuscitated in their time. But what would be the point then if technology of their time could not repair the damage.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:13 PM   #2412
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But they were frozen at death. And all three had curable issues in the 24 century.
But they were DEAD. If they can cure death in TNG without everyone's panties getting in a bunch then they should be able to cure death in a Trek movie without everyone's panties getting in a bunch.
They most likely could have been resuscitated in their time. But what would be the point then if technology of their time could not repair the damage.
They were dead...

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CRUSHER: Right now, they are all sleeping. Each of them needed minor medical attention. Minor now, but then their conditions were obviously terminal. One had a heart problem, another had an advanced case of emphysema with extensive liver damage. You know the most surprising thing of all, is that each of them had been frozen after they died.
I hate when people try to tap dance to explain why something's okay in something they like but it's a crime against humanity if it's in something they don't like (or refuse to see).
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Old May 16 2013, 11:17 PM   #2413
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I hate when people try to tap dance to explain why something's okay in something they like but it's a crime against humanity if it's in something they don't like (or refuse to see).
Which is, of course, the point of bringing up how many plot holes, how much bad story logic and ridiculous "science" have always been a part of Star Trek.

People make the mistake of thinking that "just because they did it wrong before is no excuse" is a valid rebuttal. However, the saying that "no text can stand up to a hostile reading" is absolutely so - if one is willing to forgive or excuse a particular flaw in something that one likes then one has no business treating that same kind of thing as some sort of unforgivable reason to condemn something that one dislikes.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:20 PM   #2414
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Love the film seen it twice once on IMAX 3D that was outstanding and once in 2D still very good but not loud enough didn't get the impact of the sound. I noticed that in IMAX 3D when we see the attack on London the Explosion sounded Incredible. Love the new warp effect and I love the start of the film as well great to see the natives drawing enterprise in the ground then it appears flying in space amazing piece of writing !!! Going to see it again tommorow !!
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Old May 16 2013, 11:20 PM   #2415
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I hate when people try to tap dance to explain why something's okay in something they like but it's a crime against humanity if it's in something they don't like (or refuse to see).
Whatever dude. I said nothing about Khans blood. The whole point of Cryonics is to slow decay of the body after death in hopes you can cure the disease or repair the damage in the future.
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