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Old May 16 2013, 02:42 PM   #511
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Re: Joss Whedon's S.H.I.E.L.D to ABC!

Someone at Bleeding Cool had an interesting theory. J. August Richards could be playing Michael Collins (aka Deathlok). It's clear in the trailer that the tv character has some kind of cybernetic implant in his arm (possibly alien tech that could be spreading over his body with time?); and the Collins Deathlok from the comics had assistance from SHIELD in improving his condition.

All just theory, though. It would take a different interpretation of Deathlok to make it work, but there's a great deal of dramatic potential (especially if the character dies but the tech brings his body back akin to the corpse like Deathlok). Can Michael find his humanity again after that? Lots of dramatic potential; and the kind of surprising heartfelt twist I would expect from Whedon.
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Old May 16 2013, 03:56 PM   #512
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Well, they did order a nuclear strike on Manhattan without refering the White House in any way, and the real-life Pentagon refused to cooperate with the Avengers movie for exactly that ambiguity.
SHIELD didn't order the nuclear strike. The nebulous Council they reported to ordered the strike, and Fury, the head of SHIELD, refused to obey that order.
But the SHIELD pilot did.

Technicalities aside, the larger point remains: just who is this Council that either presumes to speak for the White House, or considers themselves above them?
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Old May 16 2013, 04:08 PM   #513
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Michael Collins aka Deathlok would also fit with the sentence where he stopped short of a name and goes M---

It would be a bit of a reworking of the character though.
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Old May 16 2013, 07:56 PM   #514
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But the SHIELD pilot did.
Yes, a SHIELD pilot carried out the strike, but SHIELD itself did not order the strike. The Council ordered it.


Technicalities aside, the larger point remains: just who is this Council that either presumes to speak for the White House, or considers themselves above them?
According to the actor credits at the end of the film, they're called the World Security Council. So they're an international body, not an American one.
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Old May 16 2013, 08:52 PM   #515
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I don't think they'll travel around the world, isn't SHIELD an american organization in this version? Operating internationally would make them criminals.
That's unclear. The use of "Homeland" in their current acronym implies an affiliation with the US Department of Homeland Security, yet in The Avengers they seemed to answer to some sort of international council.
Also, there's a shot of a chase happening in Paris in the trailer: http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/8045...013/05/s25.jpg
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Old May 16 2013, 09:06 PM   #516
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I don't think they'll travel around the world, isn't SHIELD an american organization in this version? Operating internationally would make them criminals.
That's unclear. The use of "Homeland" in their current acronym implies an affiliation with the US Department of Homeland Security, yet in The Avengers they seemed to answer to some sort of international council.
Also, there's a shot of a chase happening in Paris in the trailer: http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/8045...013/05/s25.jpg
Like the guy said, someone really wanted their initials to spell out 'S.H.I.E.L.D.'
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Old May 16 2013, 10:28 PM   #517
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Now if only we can figure out what H.A.M.M.E.R. finally stands for I'll be happy.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:33 PM   #518
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I'm wondering if they'll slip and go back to one of the more 'classic' spellings...

Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division

or the '91 redo as

Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate
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Old May 16 2013, 10:37 PM   #519
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Well this is one meaning for H.A.M.M.E.R

Hate Addled Mother Muckers Eating Raspberries.

or...

Hate Arachnid Men Make Em Rot

or...

Harry Always Met Mommy En Route

or...

Heroic Americans Monitoring More Extreme Reactions
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Old May 16 2013, 10:44 PM   #520
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Well we know that Fury answers to a "World Council" so I assume that Shield is still an international organization. I'm sure that we'll get a bit of travelling and globe hopping.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:50 PM   #521
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Well I think we see in the trailer that they have a big plane so I think they're not going to just sit around NYC.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:51 PM   #522
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Well we know that Fury answers to a "World Council" so I assume that Shield is still an international organization. I'm sure that we'll get a bit of travelling and globe hopping.

I think there's a line from the end of CA:TFA where Fury mentions that SHIELD was a successor organization to the SSR.

The impression I was left with was that, while what we saw was primarily American, it was actually an initiative of the Allied forces as a whole. So it'd make sense (in a comic book logic kind of way) that after WWII SHIELD would become a sort of NATO for espionage, bleeding edge tech and super-humans.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:29 PM   #523
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Someone at Bleeding Cool had an interesting theory. J. August Richards could be playing Michael Collins (aka Deathlok). It's clear in the trailer that the tv character has some kind of cybernetic implant in his arm (possibly alien tech that could be spreading over his body with time?); and the Collins Deathlok from the comics had assistance from SHIELD in improving his condition.

All just theory, though. It would take a different interpretation of Deathlok to make it work, but there's a great deal of dramatic potential (especially if the character dies but the tech brings his body back akin to the corpse like Deathlok). Can Michael find his humanity again after that? Lots of dramatic potential; and the kind of surprising heartfelt twist I would expect from Whedon.
I wouldn't mind this one at all. As a kid I read the Astonishing stories original version of Deathlok, Colonel Luther Manning, and loved it. Always wanted to see an onscreen version of the character, even if it differed from the comics.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:57 PM   #524
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Well we know that Fury answers to a "World Council" so I assume that Shield is still an international organization. I'm sure that we'll get a bit of travelling and globe hopping.

I think there's a line from the end of CA:TFA where Fury mentions that SHIELD was a successor organization to the SSR.
That line was part of the extended/deleted scenes and wasn't actually in the movie.
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Old May 17 2013, 12:45 AM   #525
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Someone at Bleeding Cool had an interesting theory. J. August Richards could be playing Michael Collins (aka Deathlok). It's clear in the trailer that the tv character has some kind of cybernetic implant in his arm (possibly alien tech that could be spreading over his body with time?); and the Collins Deathlok from the comics had assistance from SHIELD in improving his condition.

All just theory, though. It would take a different interpretation of Deathlok to make it work, but there's a great deal of dramatic potential (especially if the character dies but the tech brings his body back akin to the corpse like Deathlok). Can Michael find his humanity again after that? Lots of dramatic potential; and the kind of surprising heartfelt twist I would expect from Whedon.
I wouldn't mind this one at all. As a kid I read the Astonishing stories original version of Deathlok, Colonel Luther Manning, and loved it. Always wanted to see an onscreen version of the character, even if it differed from the comics.
Completely agreed. Deathlok in the 70's was a cool concept--I have a few old Astonishing issues from the Luther Manning version. When I met Rich Buckler Sr. at a comic con in the nineties, I got him to do a fast Deathlok sketch in my sketchbook. Very cool.

And the Michael Collins version was better IMO. A pacifist scientist who discovers that the company he works for is making a cybernetic remote soldier, killed by the company to protect the secret, and they use his brain for their next test...a pacifist trapped in a killing machine. The miniseries in the mid nineties was so well done. I'd love to see a new adaptation.

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