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Old May 16 2013, 07:48 PM   #781
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The tweet I believe stated 1973...perhaps this is time traveling Logan.
It's a very interesting story, future boy, but there's just one little thing that doesn't make sense... If the Logan of the future is now in the past, wouldn't he have gray hair?
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Old May 16 2013, 07:51 PM   #782
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Sabertooth having a connection to Logan (which X-Men 1 almost contradicts anyway, with Sabertooth being completely different and never mentioning Wknowing Wolverine)
this is one thing I would like to see purged from the movie X timeline. Sabretooth in X1 was nothing but a braindead baboon. I much preferred the Origins version of Creed.
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Old May 16 2013, 08:14 PM   #783
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Sabertooth having a connection to Logan (which X-Men 1 almost contradicts anyway, with Sabertooth being completely different and never mentioning Wknowing Wolverine)
this is one thing I would like to see purged from the movie X timeline. Sabretooth in X1 was nothing but a braindead baboon. I much preferred the Origins version of Creed.
My personal explanation for this is that Magneto's mutant-making machine from X1 had some adverse effects on Creed, which is why he looks and acts the way he does in that movie.
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Old May 16 2013, 08:33 PM   #784
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@flavaflav...not if he's somehow inhabiting past Logan's body
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Old May 16 2013, 09:35 PM   #785
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I always thought Origins going out of its way to never say Sabretooth and only call him Creed was to say, without saying, that the two characters in the film verse are two completely different mutants.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:11 PM   #786
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I'm pretty sure Emma frost in Origins doesn't work with the Emma Frost in First Class
Well, to even see her called "Emma Frost" you have to watch the trailers, because in the movie she isn't called that. I'm sure she was intended to be Emma Frost originally, but I think the "official" story is now that she was just Kayla's sister Emma who was not Emma Frost. This was said by Lauren Shuler Donner IIRC, and it implies that they see FC and Origins as in some sense being in the same continuity if they felt the need to clarify that at all.

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Origins is constantly ignored/contradicted in FC, it stands to reason that Origins is pretty much non canon for the X-Men movies now
For whatever reason, FC simply wasn't very careful in maintaining consistency with the previous films, including X3 and the first film. By the above logic that means those films are also "pretty much non canon". We know, however, that both The Wolverine and DOFP are intended to be in continuity with X3, despite the fact that FC appeared to contradict it.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:26 PM   #787
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My personal explanation for this is that Magneto's mutant-making machine from X1 had some adverse effects on Creed, which is why he looks and acts the way he does in that movie.
I like this explanation.

Let's run with it.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:18 PM   #788
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@flavaflav...not if he's somehow inhabiting past Logan's body
I actually had a similar thought with the time travel thing, but with different characters. I was figuring Kitty goes back, like the comics, but jumps into Mystique's body instead.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:58 PM   #789
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It's possible they've altered the storyline for the film...and really it was just pure speculation on my part. This is going to be truly fascinating to see pulled off.
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Old May 17 2013, 12:13 AM   #790
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I'm pretty sure Emma frost in Origins doesn't work with the Emma Frost in First Class
Well, to even see her called "Emma Frost" you have to watch the trailers, because in the movie she isn't called that. I'm sure she was intended to be Emma Frost originally, but I think the "official" story is now that she was just Kayla's sister Emma who was not Emma Frost. This was said by Lauren Shuler Donner IIRC, and it implies that they see FC and Origins as in some sense being in the same continuity if they felt the need to clarify that at all.

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Origins is constantly ignored/contradicted in FC, it stands to reason that Origins is pretty much non canon for the X-Men movies now
For whatever reason, FC simply wasn't very careful in maintaining consistency with the previous films, including X3 and the first film. By the above logic that means those films are also "pretty much non canon". We know, however, that both The Wolverine and DOFP are intended to be in continuity with X3, despite the fact that FC appeared to contradict it.
It could go either way, but I personally just pretend Origins didn't happen. Removing it from existence doesn't cause any continuity problems, and fixes the Sabertooth thing (to be clear I wish X1 Sabertooth had been more of a character than a lacky in X1, but if you have to fix stuff then it would be Origins version that doesn't fit). As for Emma, that sounds like retcon that happened after Origins came out. She was obviously supposed to be Emma Frost. I'm not inclined to give Origins any slack, although I'll admnit you can remove Emma as an issue becuas ethey don't use the name frost in the movie, and her sister doesn't work with the character anyway.

Also, wasn't Xavier walking in Origins, but he'll be in a wheel chair in DOFP? Although, to be fair, he's gone from wheelchair bound to walking several times in the comics, so you could just say at one point he got better, than lost the ability to walk again sometime after Origins. Still, there is really no reason to accept the movies major flaws (and the fact that it just sucks) since even the people in charge seem to realise it sucks. Since it can be completely ignored and cause absolutely no problems with X1-3 and FC, personally I intend to ignore it, and I doubt it will get referenced in any more X-movies, or even the new wolverine movie. Maybe similar events, but I doubt screwed up Deadpool will be brought up, or magic bullets. I honestly wouldn't be surprised, if they keep making X-Movies without a reboot, if Gambit just shows up either in FC or a Wolverine movie in a way that completely ignores his appearance in Origins. I'm not saying parts wouldn't fit, I just don't think the X-movie makers will be using Origins or achknowledging it in future stuff.
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Old May 17 2013, 01:11 AM   #791
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As for Emma, that sounds like retcon that happened after Origins came out. She was obviously supposed to be Emma Frost.
I did say that.

I doubt it will get referenced in any more X-movies, or even the new wolverine movie.
He has the bone claws in The Wolverine, does that count?
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Old May 17 2013, 06:37 PM   #792
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Well, wikipedia says The Wolverine takes place after X3, so if he has bone claws its probably something that gets done to him at the beginning of the movie. I'm not really paying attention to that movie, since Wolverine in Japan isn't something I'm a huge fan of, but I'm pretty sure it will end up being better than Origins.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:37 PM   #793
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There is a flashback scene in the movie where he saves the man who wants to save him from what looks like a type of POW camp. This would be pre-Alkali lake in the late 70's events of Origins. So in those flashbacks for The Wolverine, he'd have bone claws.
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This is the image:
http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/...121105_360.jpg
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Old May 18 2013, 01:00 AM   #795
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The pain of the bone claws coming out was ridiculous.

Which is why his body had never sensibly through to do that for his first 200 years on this planet... Since he was traumatized as a boy.

Metal claws = Training claws.

Intermediate training pain in preparation of the real pain you get from popping bone claws.
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