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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old May 16 2013, 09:36 PM   #2371
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Heh sounds about right! Although I wouldn't be surprised if some of the officers were temporarily re-assigned, just to make sure they're helping out and....staying out of trouble.
And Chekov was assigned to the Reliant.

By the way, did Khan see Chekov in this movie?
I don't think he did. By the time Khan came along, Chekov was already in engineering.
Hmm, which was the theory proposed for Space Seed that when Khan was roaming the ship he bumped into Chekov below decks.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:45 PM   #2372
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Heh sounds about right! Although I wouldn't be surprised if some of the officers were temporarily re-assigned, just to make sure they're helping out and....staying out of trouble.
And Chekov was assigned to the Reliant.

By the way, did Khan see Chekov in this movie?
I don't think he did. By the time Khan came along, Chekov was already in engineering.
So, if Cumberbatch comes back, the first person he sees should be Chekov. He'll say, "You look familiar. I never forget a face. Mr. Chekov, isn't it?"

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Is it just me or does Quinto seem to be getting a little doughy?
It's not just you.
Maybe with all that's been going on in his life, Spock is hitting the plomeek soup a little too hard.

That reminds me, I heard Pine say on Letterman that he put on twenty pounds to play Kirk after running into Abrams at a party a few months before shooting. Abrams told by him that he needed to bulk up and get ready.
He had lost it all by his appearance on Letterman. He's thin as a rail, and topped it off by wearing a promintently pinstriped suit.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:53 PM   #2373
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I'm praising it - success is its own defense.

Of course, having seen it I'm in a position to have an informed opinion.
I know the whole story. Its all over this thread. I don't have to go see it to know I don't like the story.
I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, your decision not to see the movie now it has reached your area renders your impressions about whether aspects of the movie work on not completely irrelevant.

You have suppositions, inferences, third-hand impressions. I'm not trying to be rude. I speak from experience. There were many many things I was concerned about before I saw the movie -- Spock and Uhura's characters, Kirk's character, the downgrading of McCoy, the elevation of action over character, Abrams "Starwarsification" of the franchise, the loss of that "Trek" feeling. Now, I'm eating hat.

You may or may not like it. There are some legitimate criticisms to be made. Some things work better than others. Some aspects are brilliant. Others... not so much. But you're not even giving yourself a chance. What if you eventually watch it from the library on your telly and find there are some aspects you enjoy. You'll have robbed yourself of the change to see it on the big screen with a crowd all cheering, laughing, groaning, sniffling. You're missing the whole experience.

But, of course it's up to you.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:54 PM   #2374
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For some reason, if Khan returns and runs into Chekov, I could see the following exchange:

Chekov: "It's.....KHAN!"
Khan: "Just who the hell are you?"
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Old May 16 2013, 10:01 PM   #2375
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I'm praising it - success is its own defense.

Of course, having seen it I'm in a position to have an informed opinion.
I know the whole story. Its all over this thread. I don't have to go see it to know I don't like the story.
I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, your decision not to see the movie now it has reached your area renders your impressions about whether aspects of the movie work on not completely irrelevant.

You have suppositions, inferences, third-hand impressions. I'm not trying to be rude. I speak from experience. There were many many things I was concerned about before I saw the movie -- Spock and Uhura's characters, Kirk's character, the downgrading of McCoy, the elevation of action over character, Abrams "Starwarsification" of the franchise, the loss of that "Trek" feeling. Now, I'm eating hat.

You may or may not like it. There are some legitimate criticisms to be made. Some things work better than others. Some aspects are brilliant. Others... not so much. But you're not even giving yourself a chance. What if you eventually watch it from the library on your telly and find there are some aspects you enjoy. You'll have robbed yourself of the change to see it on the big screen with a crowd all cheering, laughing, groaning, sniffling. You're missing the whole experience.

But, of course it's up to you.
Read further back and see what triggered that entire exchange. I posted a quote I found humorous which makes fun of the film. And one of the supporters pounced.

As for seeing the film, I have enough info to know I will not like it. I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:04 PM   #2376
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Read further back and see what triggered that entire exchange. I posted a quote I found humorous which makes fun of the film. And one of the supporters pounced.

As for seeing the film, I have enough info to know I will not like it. I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
See, I don't get this. You already "know" you're going to hate the movie, and yet in six months, when the movie comes out on disc, you're going to "rip it apart." It's like all you seek to do is tear down what someone else created, and you don't even know what they've created, because you already "know" that you won't like it. I mean, it's your money to waste, but it just doesn't make any sense. How can you hate something you've never seen, and look forward to hating it once you see it?
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Old May 16 2013, 10:05 PM   #2377
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As for seeing the film, I have enough info to know I will not like it. I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
And if you do like it, you'll never admit it in a million years. You've decided it's a bad movie no matter what and won't be wrong.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:07 PM   #2378
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Read further back and see what triggered that entire exchange. I posted a quote I found humorous which makes fun of the film. And one of the supporters pounced.

As for seeing the film, I have enough info to know I will not like it. I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
See, I don't get this. You already "know" you're going to hate the movie, and yet in six months, when the movie comes out on disc, you're going to "rip it apart." It's like all you seek to do is tear down what someone else created, and you don't even know what they've created, because you already "know" that you won't like it. I mean, it's your money to waste, but it just doesn't make any sense. How can you hate something you've never seen, and look forward to hating it once you see it?
Apparently I'm not qualified to comment on it if I don't see it. Even though from what I've read, I don't like the story. It's the story that counts. All the acting and FX in the world cannot save the story for me. And there will be no money involved, cause I'm borrowing it.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:08 PM   #2379
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Boy, I didn't think it possible for J.J. Abrams to simultaneously piss, shit and vomit on Roddenberry's tombstone or whatever it is he has. I'm not kidding.

Oh, wait... Yes, I am kidding!
Oh man, you had me going there for a sec! I was like.... whaaaaaa?
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Old May 16 2013, 10:08 PM   #2380
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I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
I guess some people CAN wait to hate this movie.

I stand corrected.
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I read all the spoilers, thought it was going to be a diasaster and went in expecting the worst but loved it.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:09 PM   #2382
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As for seeing the film, I have enough info to know I will not like it. I'll rip it apart after I see the library's Blu-Ray copy in 6 months.
And if you do like it, you'll never admit it in a million years. You've decided it's a bad movie no matter what and won't be wrong.
If I end up liking it, I'll be man enough to admit it.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:10 PM   #2383
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Apparently I'm not qualified to comment on it if I don't see it.
That makes sense.

Even though from what I've read, I don't like the story. It's the story that counts. All the acting and FX in the world cannot save the story for me. And no money involved, cause I'm borrowing it.
Stories don't exist in a vacuum. A story treatment alone doesn't make allowances for execution, direction, production value, acting sequences, or anything else. It's like saying that you don't like sex, and will never like sex because the description doesn't seem appealing, even though you've never had it.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:11 PM   #2384
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I sobbed folks. I sobbed embarrassingly hard.... I did that loud snorting intake of breath where snot gurgles back into your throat....I walked out of the theater shaking.

Been out for 1.5 hours.

WIll collect my thoughts and post more.
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Old May 16 2013, 10:15 PM   #2385
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Apparently I'm not qualified to comment on it if I don't see it.
"Qualified" is a nebulous word.

What I posted is that unless you've seen the movie your opinion of it as a movie is uninformed. You cannot comment in a knowledgeable matter on an experience which you have not had, and therefore there's no reason to give your opinion the same weight one would the opinion of someone who has seen the film.

Even though from what I've read, I don't like the story. It's the story that counts.
No, it is not. Everything "counts," and you still don't demonstrate an awareness of the differences between story and plot.
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