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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.17%
A 161 21.44%
A- 101 13.45%
B+ 83 11.05%
B 59 7.86%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.06%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.46%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 39 5.19%
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Old May 16 2013, 06:19 PM   #2296
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Here's another review of the film from Alyssa Rosenberg. She's a bit lukewarm on the movie, but does give it credit for exploring some current issues:

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013...icial-killing/


I will say this though: perhaps more could have been done with the Klingons, making it clear just how bad relations had become between them and the Federation. There's a line by Admiral Marcus where he mentions them taking two planets, but it's quickly glossed over. The end of the movie seemed to forget about that....but then again it was a year later, after the events of the bulk of the film.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:30 PM   #2297
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The movie is absolute horseshit. Its Starship Troopers with quick gags and little to no explanation. Its not the Star Trek I grew up with. I got exactly what I expected, I loved it. But lets call out the elephant in the room and state that this is in no way even relatable to what came before beyond the names, and costumes...ok the ship looks similiar too. That might sound like alot at first but TOS was actually so much more.

I started watching the original series and the motion picture when I was 5 in 1981 and for some reason I fell in love with it. I don't know if I would like this Trek or get hooked on Trek if this movie, or the 09 movie, were my first venture.

As Spock Prime states, "With that being said"...Since Im already a Trek Fan, anything to do with it (except fan fic of any kind) I'll watch. I was first in line at the first showing in my area last night and because I knew it was Starship Troopers, and because of the names and costumes I absolutely loved it!
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Old May 16 2013, 06:36 PM   #2298
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I just hope the third movie will be a movie with some originality whereby the crew will be on their own to explore, instead of relying on plots and villains from the Trek movies of the past..
In the 3rd movie, Kruge will try to steal the secrets of transwarp beaming and magic blood.
Hahaha! I'm thinking though since this is an indirect remake of TWOK, imagine a remake of The Voyage Home with a touch of JJ Abrams..hmmm...
You just gave me a chance to showcase a Photoshop I made a few years ago.

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Old May 16 2013, 06:36 PM   #2299
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^ *nerdgasm*
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Old May 16 2013, 06:37 PM   #2300
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

mos6507 wrote: View Post
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The critics are not universally praising this thing.

Wired magazine just chimed in.
I love how you people find the few reviews that didn't fully enjoy the movie and go SEEE SEE?!! WE'RE RIGHT! It's hilarious.

Are you reading the same thread I am? It's not just reviewers. Plenty of rank and file posters are reporting in now to say they didn't like the movie. And while we're at it, would you like to address any of the legitimate complaints the Wired review had with it? That reviewer actually said he liked the 2009 film, which most anti-JJ people here didn't. So it's hard to accuse the guy of having an axe to grind.
The Wired reviewer does say that there's a lot to like about this movie. The bottom line of the review seems to be that he expected certain things and didn't get them.
Wired reviewer wrote:
For disposable summertime cinema, it’s certainly enjoyable, but you come away with the sense could have been so much more than that. File under “Missed Opportunities,” and look forward to the next one.
He doesn't call it bad - it's just not what he wished it would be.

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No.

ST:TUC is a mediocre movie at best, and certainly not a tenth of what this film is. That it's a favorite with so many Trek fans is one more good reason for the studio to have stopped pandering to the faithful so much and embrace the possibility of real success.
This is one of those sarcastic posts right?
I'd hope that his was the more serious post (TUC was a disappointment, IMO) and that the "is EVERYONE ON DRUGS?!" post was the merely sarcastic one, given with tongue firmly in cheek.

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"If you have ADD and love lens flaring then Star Trek Into Decadence is for you."
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Old May 16 2013, 06:37 PM   #2301
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"If you have ADD and love lens flaring then Star Trek Into Decadence is for you."
You haven't seen the movie. Most folks here have. So given that you have no idea what the movie is like...what are you laughing at?
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Old May 16 2013, 06:38 PM   #2302
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Wow. They had me convinced in the leadup to the film that he WASN'T Khan, and I fell for the whole Harrison, Section 31 "cover story" hook, line and sinker.

When they revealed him to be Khan, I had a sinking feeling, because I was having a moment of "holy shit, where are they gonna go with THIS now??"

But, I got pulled back in very quickly. I am still on the fence on the whole reversing the last scene of Twok, where Kirk dies. But I knew right away that they were going to be able to use Khan's miracle blood to bring him back (even before the tribble started purring).
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Old May 16 2013, 06:39 PM   #2303
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I'm honestly not trying to be a dick here and I am glad everyone seems to be enjoying the movie... But is EVERYONE ON DRUGS?!
Okay, I give up - what are you honestly trying to be?

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But lets call out the elephant in the room and state that this is in no way even relatable to what came before beyond the names, and costumes...ok the ship looks similiar too.
I couldn't disagree more.

Abrams's two movies are more evocative of Star Trek as I watched it on NBC than any of the previous TOS-based films featuring the original cast.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:49 PM   #2304
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Abrams's two movies are more evocative of Star Trek as I watched it on NBC than any of the previous TOS-based films featuring the original cast.
Well yeah, of course it would be because they're not in their fifties and sixties, yet. Could you imagine Doohan's Scotty running through the Vengeance?

Going tommorow night. IMAX 3D. Can't wait.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:52 PM   #2305
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You haven't seen the movie. Most folks here have. So given that you have no idea what the movie is like...what are you laughing at?
I'm laughing at the quote. Which is from a comment someone made on the Wired review. I thought it was funny.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:55 PM   #2306
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Why? There's nothing even a little clever about it, other than on a sort of pre-adolescent school lunch room "cut-down" level.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:58 PM   #2307
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shatastrophic wrote: View Post
The movie is absolute horseshit. Its Starship Troopers with quick gags and little to no explanation. Its not the Star Trek I grew up with. I got exactly what I expected, I loved it. But lets call out the elephant in the room and state that this is in no way even relatable to what came before beyond the names, and costumes...ok the ship looks similiar too. That might sound like alot at first but TOS was actually so much more.

I started watching the original series and the motion picture when I was 5 in 1981 and for some reason I fell in love with it. I don't know if I would like this Trek or get hooked on Trek if this movie, or the 09 movie, were my first venture.

As Spock Prime states, "With that being said"...Since Im already a Trek Fan, anything to do with it (except fan fic of any kind) I'll watch. I was first in line at the first showing in my area last night and because I knew it was Starship Troopers, and because of the names and costumes I absolutely loved it!
OK, my head's starting to hurt here. You start out saying it's horseshit, then you say you love it.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:58 PM   #2308
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I'm laughing at the quote. Which is from a comment someone made on the Wired review. I thought it was funny.
I guess I'm not sure what the ADD thing is really referring to (it's one of those derogatory comments that gets thrown around all the time, by the way, in this context).

Admittedly, for a while there, very choppy editing and incoherent action sequences were the norm in these blockbusters, and, as I recall, Trek '09 did suffer from that a bit. I can be annoyed by that, but I never had that type of reaction here.

If anything, the film seemed to take a bit of a cue from the Avengers and go for a much less choppy, more choreographed style for some of the action. For example: Khan and Kirk "space-sledding" or being catapulted or whatever between the two starships. That was a beautiful sequence.

I hope that approach is becoming more the trendy thing to do.

There's plenty of action, but I never felt like it was out of hand or cluttered from that point of view.
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Old May 16 2013, 07:03 PM   #2309
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My thinking is that the Wired review is drawing from a prejudice against Trek 09 and it's filming style mainly. This movie had less flares and was definitely less choppy.
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Old May 16 2013, 07:04 PM   #2310
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Why? There's nothing even a little clever about it, other than on a sort of pre-adolescent school lunch room "cut-down" level.
Whatever. You go right on defending this film.
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