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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 142 19.22%
A 160 21.65%
A- 99 13.40%
B+ 82 11.10%
B 58 7.85%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.25%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.74%
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Old May 16 2013, 05:40 AM   #2161
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I haven't read the comic so I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that it was Mudd's daughter?
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Old May 16 2013, 05:41 AM   #2162
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I really like how they sort of make Khan understandable and likeable that you forget he is a genocidal maniac until Old Spock reminds you of it haha..
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Old May 16 2013, 05:42 AM   #2163
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One of Kirk's flings? HE FLUNG WITH CAROL'S MOM?!
Nah, that's too literal. I think the writers just intended an homage to the character in Carol's adoption of the name.
I also recall someone mentioning that an early draft of the Wrath of Khan script had Janet Wallace in what would eventually be revised to become the Carol Marcus part.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:42 AM   #2164
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I would really like for Khan to have said that Marcus ordered facial reconstruction surgery and voice modification. That would explain how he looks and sounds pretty easily. The accent....well he just likes the accent and keeps it.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:45 AM   #2165
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I really like how they sort of make Khan understandable and likeable that you forget he is a genocidal maniac until Old Spock reminds you of it haha..
Yeah, but the nice thing is that you don't have to read any of what Khan says or does as insincere or at odds with the earlier scenes. He lies about his past to manipulate Kirk. He may cloak the more dangerous aspects of his character. That said, is any of what he tells Kirk about Marcus's behavior, or any of his expressed feelings of loyalty to his followers, exposed as dishonest? He tells those truths that are useful to his goals.

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I would really like for Khan to have said that Marcus ordered facial reconstruction surgery and voice modification. That would explain how he looks and sounds pretty easily. The accent....well he just likes the accent and keeps it.
All of that would have been a distraction and kind of a WTF? to a big part of the audience. I'm glad they just rolled with it.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:46 AM   #2166
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And I do prefer Montalban to Cumberbatch in the role but that is 100% on the writers not the acting. Give Cumberbatch more development, more to do! Hopefully we get that next time around.
I think that Khan's speech in his cell describing how Marcus used threats to his "family" to control him was stronger, more human dramatic material to work with than all the "beloved wife" and Melville-quoting "from Hell's heart I stab at thee!" that Montalban was given to chew on.
It's funny isn't it, I'm not a TWOK fan but adored Montalban's Khan. Sometimes it's hard to parse when you saw these movies/shows so long ago before your head was full of so many other space operas. I agree that was a great scene in the cell. And I agree that that Montalban's lines could be seen as cheesy. I think I've just had years of emotional response to Montalban and only two viewings of Cumberbatch (and I was never a Sherlock fan).
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Old May 16 2013, 05:47 AM   #2167
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Just watched it. Was a solid A. I thought the twist on Khan was well done. The death of Kirk was somewhat shocking, as it was in 1982. I think they have laid the groundwork for the next movie. The cast is doing well in their roles, especially Karl Urban. He looks and acts like DeForest Kelley more and more. Good job JJ.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:48 AM   #2168
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I will be interested to know if you find Kirk in 09 more appealing after this one.
Nope. I'd be more team Spock or McCoy anyhow. Actually, Pike was the one after whom I lusted. *sigh*

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Thanks regarding the Mudd reference. I feel better though, as my husband missed the reference too!
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Old May 16 2013, 05:49 AM   #2169
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Just watched it. Was a solid A. I thought the twist on Khan was well done. The death of Kirk was somewhat shocking, as it was in 1982. I think they have laid the groundwork for the next movie. The cast is doing well in their roles, especially Karl Urban. He looks and acts like DeForest Kelley more and more. Good job JJ.
Karl Urban is unbelievable, I cracked up when Kirk gave him orders to stop using metaphors. And when he was flirting with Marcus.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:49 AM   #2170
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I think I've just had years of emotional response to Montalban and only two viewings of Cumberbatch (and I was never a Sherlock fan).
You know, at the end when Khanberbatch is clutching the helm of the ruined Vengeance, enraged and flying it toward Starfleet he's the very image of MontalKhan in his last moments aboard the Reliant.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:50 AM   #2171
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...Star Trek movies could use a little less "Earth bound" setting and a little more "Out there" adventure.
I think this was the first time we got a good mix of "out there" space adventure and "Earth bound" stuff. I liked that they took us from an alien world to a club scene. And on a side note, gotta love Scotty's gaudy outfit.

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What is the name of the Dreadnought ship in the film??? Any details on the space battles???
A while back, I actually suggested that this movie might be called "Star Trek Vengeance".

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How the fuck did I miss a Mudd reference? FUCK...where was it?
I missed it too.

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The Countdown To Darkness comic claims that it belonged to another Mudd, but that's not part of onscreen canon and can be ignored.
I really liked Harry Mudd's daughter. Great character. Probably more fascinating that her dad.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:52 AM   #2172
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The ending credits list Kirk's parents. When were they in the movie?
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Old May 16 2013, 05:52 AM   #2173
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What was fascinating about her, the wrinkles on her nose?
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Old May 16 2013, 05:53 AM   #2174
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The ending credits list Kirk's parents. When were they in the movie?
During the black screen before Kirk wakes up, you hear George, his mom and Pike from the first movie.
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Old May 16 2013, 05:53 AM   #2175
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The ending credits list Kirk's parents. When were they in the movie?
Voices, possibly, during Kirk's emergence from his coma at the end.

Nice transition there, too, from the Spock/Khan fight.
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