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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old May 15 2013, 10:14 PM   #2071
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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I doubt I'll walk out and ask for a refund.
Do they really issue refunds?
I've never heard of any movie theaters giving out refunds, cause someone didn't like the movie they pay for.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:16 PM   #2072
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I doubt I'll walk out and ask for a refund.
Do they really issue refunds?
I've never heard of any movie theaters giving out refunds, cause someone didn't like the movie they pay for.
Considering the price for a soda, even water and popcorn, it should be free.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:28 PM   #2073
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yenny wrote: View Post
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I doubt I'll walk out and ask for a refund.


Do they really issue refunds?
I've never heard of any movie theaters giving out refunds, cause someone didn't like the movie they pay for.


I don't go to the movies all that often anymore, but I've never heard of an occasion where an unhappy patron failed to get their money back when complaining. Are cinemas so arrogant in their certainty of being patronized that they can alienate anybody?

But the only times I've ever asked for a refund have related to screwed-up projection -- I figure if I didn't like the movie, I was the sucker for going. But that is presumably a minority view, since you still have people getting their money back from supermarkets because they let the ice cream melt on the drive home and think it is the market's fault.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:29 PM   #2074
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Do they really issue refunds?
I've never heard of any movie theaters giving out refunds, cause someone didn't like the movie they pay for.
Considering the price for a soda, even water and popcorn, it should be free.
If you can't afford to go to the movies then don't go.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:44 PM   #2075
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Just because both stories resulted in rapid aging doesn't make it a rehash.
You're wrong. Just because the writers change the details doesn't make a story anything other than a "rehash."
Like Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness?
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Old May 15 2013, 10:49 PM   #2076
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´09 was to me a one night stand, it was fun while it lasted but I felt so very emotionally drained and empty afterwards.
You're sleeping with the wrong people.
Haha, naaah, the "sex" was good, it just didn't make me fall in love like STiD has done...
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Old May 15 2013, 10:53 PM   #2077
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Just got back from seeing it. It was entertaining - but it's fading from my memory fast. I really don't understand why they bothered making Cumberbatch Khan. He's such an underdeveloped villain in this that it really could have been anyone. Almost a carbon copy of Nero in many ways.
This seems to be a common problem with Trek movies. Almost all the villains suck.
I'm wondering how he comes across as a villain to a Trek novice. I can't watch it without knowing his whole history and feeling the weight behind his words because of that.

I do think Cumberbatch was underused. Rather than have that 9 minute prologue of volcano neutralizing they should have had 9 minutes of Cumberbatch, showing us scenes that made us sympathetic or otherwise. We saw a lot of Khan in Space Seed before there was direct conflict, Khan with his people and interacting with Marla etc.. as a charismatic and mysterious individual. With ST:XII we miss all this, we see him in direct conflict the entire time other than a single exchange with the father. I think he really needed some build up and Cumberbatch being of the caliber he is it's a shame he didn't get it.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:56 PM   #2078
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I don't think the villain was under developed, his motives were pretty clear and we all know his background. That said, we definitely could've used a bit more Cumberbatch but the movie was already moving at such a fast pace that it really could've had an extra 10 minutes at least.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:59 PM   #2079
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I'm wondering how he comes across as a villain to a Trek novice. I can't watch it without knowing his whole history and feeling the weight behind his words because of that.

I do think Cumberbatch was underused. Rather than have that 9 minute prologue of volcano neutralizing they should have had 9 minutes of Cumberbatch, showing us scenes that made us sympathetic or otherwise. We saw a lot of Khan in Space Seed before there was direct conflict, Khan with his people and interacting with Marla etc.. as a charismatic and mysterious individual. With ST:XII we miss all this, we see him in direct conflict the entire time other than a single exchange with the father. I think he really needed some build up and Cumberbatch being of the caliber he is it's a shame he didn't get it.
It would appear the current thinking is you cannot keep the audience's attention by including those details. Those scenes may have ended up on the cutting room floor.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:12 PM   #2080
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I personally always liked the idea the books set forth, which was Khan and the Eugenics war was more of a covert/illuminati type cold war with lots of proxy wars rather than a devastating conventional war.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:17 PM   #2081
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CraveOnline's reviews are another instance where they've got one reviewer who tore an absolute strip out of it, while their other reviewer stated uncategorically that he enjoyed it WAY more than he thought he would. Just goes to show, not everyone gets the same experience from watching the same movie.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:20 PM   #2082
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I would've preferred he was just left as John Harrison, one of Khans top people and by far the most intelligent & manipulative. The ideal choice for Marcus to thaw out and use. He was the one pulling the strings and Khan was just the figurehead. Or something..

A glimpse of Montalban frozen as well thrown in at the end!

Nevermind!
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Old May 15 2013, 11:21 PM   #2083
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I would've preferred he was just left as John Harrison, one of Khans top people and by far the most intelligent & manipulative. The ideal choice for Marcus to thaw out and use. He was the one pulling the strings and Khan was just the figurehead. Or something..

A glimpse of Montalban frozen as well thrown in at the end!

Nevermind!
"Oh my god, why would they do that when it was stated Khan was the leader and most intelligent and most dangerous one?! Worst film ever 0/10."
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Old May 15 2013, 11:23 PM   #2084
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I would've preferred he was just left as John Harrison, one of Khans top people and by far the most intelligent & manipulative. The ideal choice for Marcus to thaw out and use. He was the one pulling the strings and Khan was just the figurehead. Or something..

A glimpse of Montalban frozen as well thrown in at the end!

Nevermind!
Only problem is he would not be dead. Do we want them to pull a Terminator: Salvation in a future film?

Better to say they failed to revive Khan and he died. Didn't the unit initially malfunction. Maybe because Scotty was not there, Khan died.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:24 PM   #2085
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I would've preferred he was just left as John Harrison, one of Khans top people and by far the most intelligent & manipulative. The ideal choice for Marcus to thaw out and use. He was the one pulling the strings and Khan was just the figurehead. Or something..

A glimpse of Montalban frozen as well thrown in at the end!

Nevermind!
"Oh my god, why would they do that when it was stated Khan was the leader and most intelligent and most dangerous one?! Worst film ever 0/10."
Yeah, no doubt about it, this would've happened. I am not saying they made the right or wrong decision. It would've been better >for me< if he was just John Harrison rather than Khan
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