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Old May 15 2013, 12:05 PM   #31
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Re: And now The Newsroom....

DAMN YOU FRINGE MIRROR UNIVERSE!

Seriously though?

They don't have to get the band back together again.

Aaron with a completely new cast.

Is John Wells talented?

After I figured out that he stole the West Wing, I started seeing his name everywhere. I had to wonder if he was truly creative of if John was like Hannibal Lecter just skinning people and wearing their skin a lot.

It's not like they've junked the sets fo... Are there a lot of fake Oval offices in Burbank, or do the presidentially shows all share?

I'm really getting off on Scandal.
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Old May 15 2013, 02:31 PM   #32
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Some characteristics have to be tailored to the audience in order to make him sympathetic though. Vinick on The West Wing worked so well because he was an 'old school' moderate Republican from a liberal state and you could really see moderate and even some liberal people wanting to vote for him. Hell, I actually wanted him to win.
And that character was created years after Sorkin left the show. So what does that have to do with anything?
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Old May 15 2013, 02:47 PM   #33
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Wasn't Vinnick supposed to win, but after McGarry died they felt that was a little too harsh? I've read that somewhere, at least.
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Old May 15 2013, 03:01 PM   #34
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I trying to imagine this.

Chenney dies in 2007, so America says fuck term limitations, give George another 4 years.
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Old May 15 2013, 05:10 PM   #35
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Vinick is a great example of a moderate conservative character of the sort that Will McAvoy is supposed to be. He's pro-choice and non-religious, but he still has solid conservative credentials in other areas, as evidenced by the positions he presented in the debate episode. But as bigdaddy said, Vinick showed up years after Sorkin left the show, and he was part of an effort by the new writers to challenge The West Wing's (understandable) liberal bias.

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Wasn't Vinnick supposed to win, but after McGarry died they felt that was a little too harsh? I've read that somewhere, at least.
There are conflicting stories on the matter. Lawrence O'Donnell, Jr. claims that Vinick was originally supposed to win but when John Spencer died they changed it. John Wells, showrunner and co-writer of the election episode, claims that the Santos victory was in the original script for the episode before John Spencer died and that the changes to the episode were purely to include Leo's death.
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Old May 15 2013, 05:30 PM   #36
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John Wells also claims that they never had a magical missing year between the end of season 5 and the beginning of season 6, when they did and anyone with ears nows that they did.
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Old May 15 2013, 06:23 PM   #37
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''Magical missing year?'' Did the Year Five season ender or Year Six's opening episode hint at missing material? Or is this the period when Sorkin actually left?
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Old May 15 2013, 08:04 PM   #38
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''Magical missing year?'' Did the Year Five season ender or Year Six's opening episode hint at missing material? Or is this the period when Sorkin actually left?
Did you ever wonder why the primaries for the next presidential election occur only two years after Bartlet's re-election? That's the missing year.

The show never mentions the missing year, and there's no place that it could possibly fit in the storyline, that's why it's so magical. The upcoming 2004 midterm elections are mentioned towards the end of season 5, but towards the start of season 6 those elections are referred as having happened a year prior. That suggests that the Gaza crisis lasted a full year, but that makes absolutely no sense.

When asked about it in an interview once, John Wells attempted a Jedi mind trick and claimed that there was no missing year and that The West Wing began one and a half years into Bartlet's presidency. This is flatly contradicted by what the characters say in season 1 and the fact that Bartlet's re-election took place in season 4. So John Wells was either lying in that interview to deflect from the hames he made of the timeline, or he genuinely had no idea what was going on on his own show.
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Old May 15 2013, 08:08 PM   #39
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''Magical missing year?'' Did the Year Five season ender or Year Six's opening episode hint at missing material? Or is this the period when Sorkin actually left?
Sorkin left after season 4.

Season 5 ended with a bombing, Josh in the episode talks about the upcoming MID TERM elections.

Season 6 picks up only a few days later and Josh is talking about the presidential elections and how poorly the democrats did in the midterms.

I don't mind they skip a year because a new direction was very much needed. But he refuses to admit to it, he comments on how the pilot was a year into the presidency. However it was only 8 months I think, and they caught up in time throughout the first 5 years.
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Old May 15 2013, 08:35 PM   #40
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They skipped a year on purpose, that's fine.

They lost a year because they forgot how to count to four, that's incompetence.

They Hid a year because they assumed the audience was too stupid to notice, that's degrading to you.
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Old May 15 2013, 08:52 PM   #41
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The sad this is I think they weren't really paying attention, and did it, then tried to hide it after people realized the year was missing.
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Old May 17 2013, 04:43 PM   #42
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The sad this is I think they weren't really paying attention, and did it, then tried to hide it after people realized the year was missing.
As a former Senator from Massachussetts might say...
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Old May 17 2013, 09:39 PM   #43
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I'm a republican and self described classical liberal. I like the Macavoy charecter. I think his criticisms of the TEA party were fair and he was asking them honest questions...

The "conservative" republicans who get pissy about the show are really the wing nut tea party members and the social conservatives.

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Not only did I want Vinnick to win, I wanted to watch a couple of seasons of Vinnick's The West Wing.
So very much yes!
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Old May 18 2013, 02:24 AM   #44
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I think that's what makes The West Wing great. I loved the finale episode, and it left you with closure for some characters and then opened up this universe we will never get to see.

Until we make it to the other universe and watch several more seasons of the show.
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Old July 17 2013, 07:47 PM   #45
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Hey, The Newsroom opened its second season this week. Thoughts? I'm not sold on the new producer guy, but the show has returned in the same fine shape it left in last year IMO. Will keep watching.

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