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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "Nightmare in Silver"
Excellent! 21 18.75%
Great 46 41.07%
Average 36 32.14%
DELETE! 6 5.36%
"Iron Man 3" was better" 3 2.68%
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Old May 14 2013, 08:48 AM   #151
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Re: 7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

Being a Neil Gaiman script, I expected it to be great, but it was merely good.

I can only conclude that it wasn't up to the standard I've come to expect from Mr. Gaiman due to executive meddling, or some such.
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Old May 14 2013, 08:52 AM   #152
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I saw a comment on another forum - that as originally written this script had Amy and Rory in it? Anyone know anything about that?
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Old May 14 2013, 11:01 AM   #153
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Well that might be true, I know Gaiman says it's taken him ages to write (see it's not just Moffatt) and went through 4 or 5 drafts. I'd imagine it was unlikely given they seemed to know Karen and Arthur were leaving for some time, but you never know...
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Old May 14 2013, 12:22 PM   #154
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I saw a comment on another forum - that as originally written this script had Amy and Rory in it? Anyone know anything about that?
On GB, there's a guy who says he helped Gaiman with his Doctor Who lore for both scripts, and the first draft had the Victorian Clara and her Victorian children in it, so it would seem to have come along later than that.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:07 PM   #155
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This really looks like a TOS set! Lighting, angled walls, spacey future doorway, eccentric collection of relics..

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Old May 14 2013, 01:23 PM   #156
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I saw a comment on another forum - that as originally written this script had Amy and Rory in it? Anyone know anything about that?
On GB, there's a guy who says he helped Gaiman with his Doctor Who lore for both scripts, and the first draft had the Victorian Clara and her Victorian children in it, so it would seem to have come along later than that.
I saw that and assuming the guy is reliable it seems they would've been Victorian and more integrated through the season. The change to the current modern version was known far enough ahead not to force his hand though. There was supposed to be more explanation for the kids' presence seeded in the episode but was cut for time, some tacked on to Crimson Horror as seen.

Also, the Cyberman weren't to be stompy but that was added post-production as it was felt that it played as unfinished (like they forgot to add sound) rather than conveying the intent they were quiet.
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Old May 14 2013, 02:29 PM   #157
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This really looks like a TOS set! Lighting, angled walls, spacey future doorway, eccentric collection of relics..

You've nailed it. I couldn't put my finger on what it was about that set that was veeery familiar but that is it.
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Old May 14 2013, 05:26 PM   #158
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Re: 7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

My rankings:

1. Asylum of the Daleks
2. Bells of St. John
3. The Crimson Horror
4. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
5. Hide
6. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
7. Nightmare in Silver
8. Angels Take Manhattan
9. Rings of Akhaten
10. The Power of Three
11. The Snowmen
12. A Town Called Mercy
13. Cold War
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Old May 14 2013, 07:24 PM   #159
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Granted I have only been watching the show since 2005, but it has never been high art. It's always been zany, silly, filled with plot holes, aimed at children more than adults (this includes the Classic episodes I've seen), a popcorny sense of adventure only occasionally punctuated by heroic moments.
I understand where you're coming from. There's also some people who've been watching Doctor Who since their childhood, so they feel a sense of ownership.

Personally I didn't grew up on it and only watched a few classic episodes before 2005. I really started to get into Doctor who in 2005 with the new series.

While Moffat wrote good episodes under RTD, I much prefer the RTD era. I felt the RTD episodes were less directed at a children audience than Moffat is. Moffat was a good writer under RTD but he seems to make a point to make his episodes directed to a young audience instead of a general audience (the child in us) like RTD was. He even said so himself.

On the other hand, this episode was more enjoyable than the last few episodes. The 2 Doctor fighting each other in his head was pretty interesting. The Cybermen made me think of the Borg with their assimilation and the way they adapt. Resistance is futile! It's strange that they don't use their fast moving ability more often.

While I strongly miss the RTD era, I still enjoy watching Doctor Who. It's not great but very much watchable.
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Old May 14 2013, 07:27 PM   #160
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I'm really starting to feel like the decision to not do any two parters is starting to bite them a little... This could have been a BIG story... Return of the proper Cybermen? Could have been told in epic fashion.. Instead it was clipped and quick and while the writing was great and the action was too, it just felt too rushed..
I completely agree. More often than not, my favorite episodes of the New Series have been the two-parters so I was very disappointed to read that Moffat decided to do away with them this season. The lack of two-parters has definitely hurt this season and I think stories like this one, "Cold War" (which, for me, is the best episode this season), and even "Journey to the Centre" of the TARDIS" would have been much better if they had more breathing room.

Since everyone else is doing it...

1. Asylum of the Daleks
2. Cold War
3. Angels Take Manhattan
4. The Power of Three
5. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
6. Bells of St. John
7. A Town Called Mercy
8. The Snowmen
9. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
10. Crimson Horror (except the last two minutes)
11. Nightmare in Silver
12. Hide (again, except the last two minutes)
13. Rings of Akhaten

Two notes:

1. Unfortunately, there hasn't been a knockout episode all season, nothing on the level of "The Doctor's Wife," "The Girl Who Waited," or "The God Complex."

2. Despite its low ranking, I actually like "Rings of Ahkaten" and I'm still surprised by the level of hate its gotten.

Ultimately, there hasn't been a bad episode this season, but nothing outstanding either. It's been a rather disjointed season, both in pacing and quality.
Ah, all of series 7. For the whole of S7, my ordering is as follows:

1)The Angels Take Manhattan
2)Cold War
3)Asylum of the Daleks
4)The Bells of Saint John
5)Nightmare in Silver
6)The Power of Three
7)The Snowmen
8)Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
9)Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
10)The Crimson Horror
11)Hide
12)A Town Called Mercy
13)The Rings of Akhaten

So yeah, I'd say we have a similar idea about S7.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:22 PM   #161
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1)Asylum of the Daleks
2)The Angels Take Manhattan
3)Nightmare in Silver
4)The Rings of Akhaten
5)The Bells of Saint John
6)The Snowmen
7)Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
8)Cold War
9)The Power of Three
10)Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
11)The Crimson Horror
12)Hide
13)A Town Called Mercy

Shockingly, I wouldn't call any of these terrible, unlike the last two years. "Hide" and "Mercy" were so-so but still enjoyable.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:08 PM   #162
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A Town called Mercy was this season?

Butt that happened almost 3 years ago.

Weird.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:27 PM   #163
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A Town called Mercy was this season?

Butt that happened almost 3 years ago.

Weird.
uh no, A Town Called Mercy first aired in September 2012, which is a lot less than 3 years ago.
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I loved this episode, not much to say really, good entertainment, classic Who feel. A+
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Old May 15 2013, 12:49 AM   #165
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Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
A Town called Mercy was this season?

Butt that happened almost 3 years ago.

Weird.
uh no, A Town Called Mercy first aired in September 2012, which is a lot less than 3 years ago.
It just feels like it was.
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