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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old May 13 2013, 12:33 AM   #91
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Re: The recycled footage of BOP exploding in Generations

To be fair, Star Trek 2009 had whole expensive sequences deleted (Rura Penthe, for example). And who knows what scenes landed on the cutting room floor in STD. So it hasn't changed.
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Old May 13 2013, 12:37 AM   #92
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I think a lot of mistakes were made, in particular it feels like they handed a movie franchise over to a bunch of TV guys. FC came out really well, but Insurrection and then Nemesis suffered.
To be fair, they also handed the TOS movies over to a bunch tv guys. Most of those movies turned out pretty good.

More and more I consider FC to be a lucky fluke for Berman and company.

I still don't understand in what universe they thought Picard saving a bunch of Space Amish, and Picard fighting his clone were worth doing movies about. Those entire scripts should have been dumped and the writers should have come up with something more interesting.
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Old May 13 2013, 12:51 AM   #93
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STD.
Gotto say: I love the initials for the new movie
They should've called it Star Trek: Darkness.
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Old May 13 2013, 01:15 AM   #94
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I think a lot of mistakes were made, in particular it feels like they handed a movie franchise over to a bunch of TV guys. FC came out really well, but Insurrection and then Nemesis suffered.
It would have been a great mix to hand "Generations" over to an experienced director with at least a moderate degree of success with feature films, while keeping the Trek writers.
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Old May 13 2013, 03:01 PM   #95
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Phily B wrote: View Post
I think a lot of mistakes were made, in particular it feels like they handed a movie franchise over to a bunch of TV guys. FC came out really well, but Insurrection and then Nemesis suffered.
To be fair, they also handed the TOS movies over to a bunch tv guys. Most of those movies turned out pretty good.

More and more I consider FC to be a lucky fluke for Berman and company.

I still don't understand in what universe they thought Picard saving a bunch of Space Amish, and Picard fighting his clone were worth doing movies about. Those entire scripts should have been dumped and the writers should have come up with something more interesting.
If you haven't done so, you should find the unpublished book Piller did about the script (d)evolution on INSURRECTION. There was a core good idea or two, but the development process really pissed all over things (Stewart and Berman seem to be deserving of the most blame IMO) ... once Trek starts doing HATFIELDS & MCCOYS on the big screen, it stops being just played-out TV formula and becomes infuriating waste of resources.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:47 AM   #96
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If you haven't done so, you should find the unpublished book Piller did about the script (d)evolution on INSURRECTION. There was a core good idea or two, but the development process really pissed all over things (Stewart and Berman seem to be deserving of the most blame IMO) ...
Many of Stewart's objections and criticisms seemed perfectly reasonable:
I think there is real danger in the mindset that “there are certain things that our audience come to expect...” We have
seen Worf defend his honor so many times and exactly in the way your story plays out. Worf’s ‘honor’ is in his every thought
and gesture. He is anyway by now too big a man to rise to a jerk like Joss. But to see Worf telling his Captain he is wrong and threatening to tear him apart, there is his honor.

I have reread the story several times since your last communication and - with some exceptions - my feelings
remain unchanged. The story seems bogged down in details, dialogue and back story. For me it plods along until Act 3 (on
page 20 of your 25 page story) when the Guerilla training begins. Before, the ‘events’ have been a hand to hand fight, two ship conflicts and the delusions sequence. The first three are very familiar territory but the latter I have come to like more and more.
It is dangerous, I believe, these days to rely on tech stuff for excitement but I can see how there could be a lot of fun and
danger in this sequence but it all goes very flat again after that.

I just cannot get excited about the sarium krellide story line. It is, again, a series-style concept that is too technical and
remote to be the basis of our story. Isn’t is going to be hard for our audience to get involved with or care about some
medically significant rock. It’s not exciting. Nor, I am sorry to say, (though this is a science fiction adventure movie) is the
moral/political story line of uprooting a people and transplanting them. It’s not exciting. Yes, all that worked in the series but not, I think, here.

My concerns about Data remain. Am I mistaken to believe that we do not see Data as fully himself until the middle of Act
3? Given that he is our most ‘popular’ character can we afford to lose his Data-ness for so long? I am also uneasy about
another ‘Data malfunctioning’ story. By surprises I meant the truly unexpected and unpredictable. It would seem that Picard has no choice but to kill Data and Picard taking off his uniforms seems, at the moment, to be inappropriate rather than surprising
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Old May 14 2013, 08:30 AM   #97
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Yeah, Stewart makes the basic nuTrek arguments: it works for the show, it worked in the past, but it won't work on the big screen.
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Old May 14 2013, 06:44 PM   #98
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Yeah, Stewart makes the basic nuTrek arguments: it works for the show, it worked in the past, but it won't work on the big screen.
No, he makes some very specific points about the weaknesses and unoriginality of Piller's original script, i.e. Data not functioning right for the third movie in row.
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Old May 19 2013, 03:19 PM   #99
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In "Yesterday's Enterprise," three Birds of Prey are able to mount an effective battle against the fully-powered and fully-shielded Enterprise-D, to the point where had the battle continued for about 30 more seconds, the Enterprise would have been destroyed. Why, then, is it unreasonable to think that a single Bird of Prey would be an effective match for the Enterprise if the advantage of its shields had been neutralized?
I'm a bit late to the discussion, here, but those BoPs in Yesterday's Enterprise were clearly meant to be much larger and more powerful, but they hadn't made the Vor'Cha model yet. If they had, you can bet they would have used them instead.
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