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Old May 13 2013, 06:28 PM   #16
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Warp drive is only one example. IMO, there are many other things that are too different for it simply to be written off as due to a brief never seen since encounter with the Narada.
Which is why I said...

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Which is fair enough considering Into Darkness. But I'm happy with the explanation offered by the writers.
Star Trek has never been all that internally consistent, even within various series. Why should I hold J.J. Abrams to a standard I never held Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman to?

But since your going to hold Abrams to one anyway...

It was more than one brief encounter with the Narada.

* In 2233, Starfleet loses the U.S.S. Kelvin. There are survivors and certainly sensor logs of the incident.

* In 2258, the Klingons lose 47 starships to the Narada. The same year Starfleet loses seven starships and the planet Vulcan to the same vessel.

Plus, we simply don't know if there were any other incidents in the intervening twenty-five years.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:31 PM   #17
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hmmmm, with such a massive incident (destroying Vulcan) in the timeline, how come the temporal devision of Startrek didnt do something?
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Old May 13 2013, 06:32 PM   #18
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Warp drive is only one example. IMO, there are many other things that are too different for it simply to be written off as due to a brief never seen since encounter with the Narada.
Which is why I said...

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Which is fair enough considering Into Darkness. But I'm happy with the explanation offered by the writers.
Star Trek has never been all that internally consistent, even within various series. Why should I hold J.J. Abrams to a standard I never held Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman too?
Because JJ Abrams is the incumbent. We can't let him off the hook until he's done with Trek and someone else takes over.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:54 PM   #19
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hmmmm, with such a massive incident (destroying Vulcan) in the timeline, how come the temporal devision of Startrek didnt do something? hell, in the episode 'Relativity' (Voyager) the temporal guys were out to stop just one ship from being destroyed. ...

hmmm got an idea for a script to put things right here
For the same reason they didn't travel back in time to prevent Adm. Janeway from getting VOY home 16 years early.


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Old May 13 2013, 07:11 PM   #20
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The Temporal Department agents were probably just really hungover that Monday after a crazy bender on the weekend.

"Man, I wish I could go back and stop myself from doing all those Tequila shots. Oh wait..."
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Old May 13 2013, 07:50 PM   #21
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I'm beginning to think this is completely different Universe,even before the Narada showed up. There are too many inconsistencies in technology for this just to be a different branch of the timeline from when the Narada shows up.
If that were the case, it would make...
But this can indeed be a completely different timeline than the one we knew before, even pre 2233.
As all time-travel episode deal with either pre-destination paradoxes or a "restoring" of the timeline, no major event is changed significantly. In-universe, what we see as the prime-timeline is the culmination of all those time-travel events.

In the new timeline all the major "historical" events also occurred, but without tampering from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY-time-travellers, resulting in the year 2233 when we first see the Kelvin; a timeline where technology advanced slightly different/faster and the people are slightly different but similar.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:05 AM   #22
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Trek messed with the timeline so much, they obliterated DTI with the last change...
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Old May 14 2013, 12:13 AM   #23
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hmmmm, with such a massive incident (destroying Vulcan) in the timeline, how come the temporal devision of Startrek didnt do something? hell, in the episode 'Relativity' (Voyager) the temporal guys were out to stop just one ship from being destroyed. ...

hmmm got an idea for a script to put things right here
For the same reason they didn't travel back in time to prevent Adm. Janeway from getting VOY home 16 years early.
In my book, they did. It's all a matter of perspective. Audiences get to see the alternate outcomes. The timeline gets still reset by the time cops.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:19 AM   #24
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Didn't the Temporal Cold War pretty much decimate all of the future time traveling factions by the start of Enterprise season 4? the war ended, the DTI were back to being observational paper pushers.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:20 AM   #25
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Didn't Star Trek 09 establish that this is an alternate reality? Are we still arguing about this?
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Old May 14 2013, 01:28 AM   #26
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Didn't Star Trek 09 establish that this is an alternate reality? Are we still arguing about this?
apparently so. these are some of the reasons i don't do forums.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:59 AM   #27
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I just saw Heat.
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Old May 14 2013, 02:57 AM   #28
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ConRefit79 wrote: View Post
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Warp drive is only one example. IMO, there are many other things that are too different for it simply to be written off as due to a brief never seen since encounter with the Narada.
Which is why I said...

BillJ wrote: View Post

Which is fair enough considering Into Darkness. But I'm happy with the explanation offered by the writers.
Star Trek has never been all that internally consistent, even within various series. Why should I hold J.J. Abrams to a standard I never held Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman too?
Because JJ Abrams is the incumbent. We can't let him off the hook until he's done with Trek and someone else takes over.
The only thing, IMO, JJ Abrams is "on the hook" for is telling a great story, not reinforcing a group fantasy that Star Trek is actually real.

Now I didn't actually care much for his first movie because I didn't think much of the story, and, as you say, I won't let him off the hook for producing crap. But I have no problem with Abrams and the writers updating aspects of a nearly 50-year-old series to be a little more relevent to today. In fact, Trek needs to be updated. I'd hate for the films to start resembling those fanwank movies on youtube.
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Old May 14 2013, 03:55 AM   #29
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I just saw Heat.
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Old May 14 2013, 04:05 AM   #30
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hmmmm, with such a massive incident (destroying Vulcan) in the timeline, how come the temporal devision of Startrek didnt do something? hell, in the episode 'Relativity' (Voyager) the temporal guys were out to stop just one ship from being destroyed. ...

hmmm got an idea for a script to put things right here
1. It's a reboot. The whole point is to ditch that nonsense.

2. It was a stupid idea to begin with. It contradicted dozens of time travel episodes in which no time cops from the future interfered and it was used as nothing more than deus ex machina.
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