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Old May 14 2013, 02:34 AM   #1
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Universal Translator

Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?


What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue

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Old May 14 2013, 07:07 AM   #2
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Re: Universal Translator

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Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?


What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue

Being the Dominion people had no problem understanding the Breen when their UT was "adjusted" I don't see why not. The masks and static language were just a plot device to give them a mysterious element.
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Old May 14 2013, 07:57 AM   #3
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One would think that two cultures at constant war with each other would customize their respective UTs so that the opposite side would have maximal difficulty understanding what one was saying. For all we know, Cardassian speech was equal gibberish to the Breen...

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Old May 14 2013, 08:02 AM   #4
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That would seem a moot point once you take a single prisoner though.
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Old May 14 2013, 08:50 AM   #5
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Not really, because the UT can always be re-tuned. A language you learned from your captured opponent today might be outdated four weeks from now.

Learning the "native" Breen or Cardassian language would not be a tactical concern, because all battlefield communications would be handled via the UT. Prisoner interrogation after surgical removal of UT would yield results in a language the interrogator can comprehend - but that's true of interrogations in all circumstances, and secondary to the tactical consideration of battlefield eavesdropping.

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Old May 14 2013, 09:41 AM   #6
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Not really, because the UT can always be re-tuned. A language you learned from your captured opponent today might be outdated four weeks from now.
Seriously?

In WW2, as soon as the Germans figured out that the British could understand German, did they suddenly change what German was?

Codes and secret communications, yes, you are right. But the basic language, no.
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Old May 14 2013, 02:20 PM   #7
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Not really, because the UT can always be re-tuned. A language you learned from your captured opponent today might be outdated four weeks from now.

Learning the "native" Breen or Cardassian language would not be a tactical concern, because all battlefield communications would be handled via the UT. Prisoner interrogation after surgical removal of UT would yield results in a language the interrogator can comprehend - but that's true of interrogations in all circumstances, and secondary to the tactical consideration of battlefield eavesdropping.

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Did we ever see one surgically implanted? I thought the device worked through the communicator pins.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:03 PM   #8
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Not really, because the UT can always be re-tuned. A language you learned from your captured opponent today might be outdated four weeks from now.

Learning the "native" Breen or Cardassian language would not be a tactical concern, because all battlefield communications would be handled via the UT. Prisoner interrogation after surgical removal of UT would yield results in a language the interrogator can comprehend - but that's true of interrogations in all circumstances, and secondary to the tactical consideration of battlefield eavesdropping.

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Did we ever see one surgically implanted? I thought the device worked through the communicator pins.
We see the Ferengi have them in their ears. And given they can still understand each other when their comm badges are taken off for whatever reason, I'm inclined to think they're not there.
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Old May 15 2013, 10:27 PM   #9
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And just one of the parties needs the translator. The Ancient Hew-mons could understand the Ferengi just fine once the latter fixed their UT's.
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Old May 16 2013, 11:42 AM   #10
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They're magic.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:18 PM   #11
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Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?
Hell, even in Star Wars Chewie's growls are translatable. Han Solo always understood what he was saying. It's just kept untranslated for the audience.

What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue
In the novels the Breen are considerate enough to translate their language when around other races.
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Old May 16 2013, 02:55 PM   #12
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The daftness of the universal translator is one of the reason i've resigned all hope of anything star trek like ever happening.
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Old May 17 2013, 02:00 AM   #13
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Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?
Depends. If the writer of the work in question wanted it to, then it could. If the writer didn't want it to, then it couldn't.

What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue

Whichever one the writer wants.

Seriously, these things are pretty much made up as they go along. They don't answer these questions until there's a need to answer them, so any answer anyone here gives is no more accurate than whatever you want.
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Old May 17 2013, 02:14 AM   #14
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Re: Universal Translator

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Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?
Depends. If the writer of the work in question wanted it to, then it could. If the writer didn't want it to, then it couldn't.

What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue

Whichever one the writer wants.

Seriously, these things are pretty much made up as they go along. They don't answer these questions until there's a need to answer them, so any answer anyone here gives is no more accurate than whatever you want.
Yeah, but just saying 'whatever the writer wants' is a non-answer. If you don't have an intelligent thought, then don't answer!
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Old May 17 2013, 04:49 AM   #15
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Could the universal translator translate Chewbacca's growls?
Depends. If the writer of the work in question wanted it to, then it could. If the writer didn't want it to, then it couldn't.

What do you think the translator is closer to decoding?

A) Calamarain language

B) Breen tongue

Whichever one the writer wants.

Seriously, these things are pretty much made up as they go along. They don't answer these questions until there's a need to answer them, so any answer anyone here gives is no more accurate than whatever you want.
Yeah, but just saying 'whatever the writer wants' is a non-answer. If you don't have an intelligent thought, then don't answer!
An intelligent answer? Considering there are absolutely no facts whatsoever to support any claims made in regards to your questions, it's basically just being made up. Any "intelligent" answer would basically just be guessing, and I'm sure you can do that yourself.

With the lack of any objective standards, there can be no intelligent answers to your question, rendering them unanswerable.
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