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Old May 13 2013, 08:41 AM   #931
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Nothing like ending Mother's Day by watching The Bonding. It's interesting watching the documentaries and then watching the episodes with a new mindset. I can see some of that Perfect human reaction in Jeremy coming through, even though there was still grief. It's going to be fun watching these episodes knowing how difficult it was in the writing room. It will really give the season a new perspective, which I'm looking forward to.

Another thing I noticed about this episode was even on episode 1, Ron Moore was the Klingon guy. I mean the scene at the end with the Bonding ceremony and the music was almost classic Ron Moore, even if this was his first episode. Later on when I'm done with the season, I might go back and listen to the commentary to see if he brings this up.

I will say though that I actually liked The Bonding a lot more than before. I still think Troi is annoying though, and I do question why everyone must deal with death the same way. It seemed like Troi was trying to get Jeremy to be angry at Worf, just like the whole Wes angry at Picard, yet I'm not sure if that's fair. It almost seemed like Troi was forcing that animosity. Why can't people grieve in their own way.
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Old May 13 2013, 10:52 AM   #932
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Another thing I noticed about this episode was even on episode 1, Ron Moore was the Klingon guy. I mean the scene at the end with the Bonding ceremony and the music was almost classic Ron Moore, even if this was his first episode. Later on when I'm done with the season, I might go back and listen to the commentary to see if he brings this up.
On the commentary for "Sins of the Father" Moore says he became the Klingon guy after Michael Piller asked him to write a memo outlining Klingon history and culture. He still has the memo and reads it out during the commentary.
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Old May 13 2013, 02:10 PM   #933
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Another thing I noticed about this episode was even on episode 1, Ron Moore was the Klingon guy. I mean the scene at the end with the Bonding ceremony and the music was almost classic Ron Moore, even if this was his first episode. Later on when I'm done with the season, I might go back and listen to the commentary to see if he brings this up.
On the commentary for "Sins of the Father" Moore says he became the Klingon guy after Michael Piller asked him to write a memo outlining Klingon history and culture. He still has the memo and reads it out during the commentary.
That was really interesting when he read his Klingon Brief. it is also interesting he based a lot on the Final Reflection novel, I remember first reading that book way back in the 80s, while it is held up as a good book, I remember I wasn't all that thrilled with it at the time..lol



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Old May 13 2013, 06:13 PM   #934
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Watching BoBw -disc. The documentary on the disc, I saw a lot of this if not all of it at the movie theatre event. Watching the episodes with the commentary now.



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Old May 13 2013, 06:58 PM   #935
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Jeez, I know Troi was hard to write for, but you'd think they could come up with something better than "The Price." The fakest, smarmiest guy you can imagine steps foot on the ship, and she falls instantly under his spell for no apparent reason. And then they just... lie around in bed sweet talking each other for the rest of the episode.

And I had a really hard time caring about this bidding war over some random alien's wormhole as well (although I admit it was cool hearing these early references to the Gamma and Delta Quadrants).

I also had to laugh at Riker reading his little personal PADD in Ten-Forward. It may have been shot back in 1989, but it looked for all the world like someone today sitting at lunch and checking out their iphone. Lol
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Old May 13 2013, 07:23 PM   #936
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Jeez, I know Troi was hard to write for, but you'd think they could come up with something better than "The Price." The fakest, smarmiest guy you can imagine steps foot on the ship, and she falls instantly under his spell for no apparent reason. And then they just... lie around in bed sweet talking each other for the rest of the episode.

And I had a really hard time caring about this bidding war over some random alien's wormhole as well (although I admit it was cool hearing these early references to the Gamma and Delta Quadrants).

I also had to laugh at Riker reading his little personal PADD in Ten-Forward. It may have been shot back in 1989, but it looked for all the world like someone today sitting at lunch and checking out their iphone. Lol
If there was one thing Star Trek got right it was the technology PADD things. Now we have Ipads, 23 years later. I credit Star Trek for predicting that spot on.
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Old May 13 2013, 07:58 PM   #937
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Yeah it's a small thing, but watching everyone walking around with a PADD of some kind on TNG really does make it feel surprisingly modern. Even if they were depicting the 24th instead of 21st century, it's still about the only scifi show I can think of that actually got that part of our "future" right, and predicted just how omnipresent such technology would be in our culture.

In fact any time I watch BTTF2 or Robocop now, I can't help but wonder "Where are all the people walking around with smartphones??"
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Old May 13 2013, 08:03 PM   #938
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In fact any time I watch BTTF2 or Robocop now, I can't help but wonder "Where are all the people walking around with smartphones??"
Aren't Marlene and Marty McFly Jr. wearing "Google Glasses"?

I'm patiently waiting for season 3 to show up on iTunes.
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Old May 13 2013, 08:41 PM   #939
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Yeah it's a small thing, but watching everyone walking around with a PADD of some kind on TNG really does make it feel surprisingly modern. Even if they were depicting the 24th instead of 21st century, it's still about the only scifi show I can think of that actually got that part of our "future" right, and predicted just how omnipresent such technology would be in our culture.

In fact any time I watch BTTF2 or Robocop now, I can't help but wonder "Where are all the people walking around with smartphones??"
The are carrying them in their self-adjusting jackets
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Yeah it's a small thing, but watching everyone walking around with a PADD of some kind on TNG really does make it feel surprisingly modern. Even if they were depicting the 24th instead of 21st century, it's still about the only scifi show I can think of that actually got that part of our "future" right, and predicted just how omnipresent such technology would be in our culture.

In fact any time I watch BTTF2 or Robocop now, I can't help but wonder "Where are all the people walking around with smartphones??"
I still wonder about the whole flying car thing once the clock hit's midnight in a new year.
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Old May 14 2013, 02:17 AM   #941
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On the commentary for "Sins of the Father" Moore says he became the Klingon guy after Michael Piller asked him to write a memo outlining Klingon history and culture. He still has the memo and reads it out during the commentary.
And the memo was just twenty-seven pages of the word "HONOR!!!" typed over and over again.
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On the commentary for "Sins of the Father" Moore says he became the Klingon guy after Michael Piller asked him to write a memo outlining Klingon history and culture. He still has the memo and reads it out during the commentary.
And the memo was just twenty-seven pages of the word "HONOR!!!" typed over and over again.
Sometimes that is how it felt.
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Old May 14 2013, 06:41 AM   #943
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^ Y'know, I acknowledge that "Sins of the Father" is a landmark episode for its fleshing out of Klingon culture, and normally I really tend to dig "feuding great houses" type of SF/F (Dune, A Song of Ice and Fire, Feist's "Empire" trilogy) but the Klingon stuff on TNG was dealt with in such a shallow, uninteresting manner. I've never really cared for the Klingons. Not a single drop of subtlety to the race. As far as adversarial Trek races go, I find the Cardassians infinitely more interesting/watchable. I was rather dismayed when Worf was added to DS9, because while I for the most part like the character, he brought with him the baggage of tons more Klingon-centric episodes. I didn't mind them in small doses in the earlier seasons ("Blood Oath", "The House of Quark") but it just got out of hand in season 4 onwards. Just never felt that the Klingons meshed well with DS9, nor did Worf fit in as well with the DS9 crew as he did with the TNG crew.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:27 AM   #944
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^ Y'know, I acknowledge that "Sins of the Father" is a landmark episode for its fleshing out of Klingon culture, and normally I really tend to dig "feuding great houses" type of SF/F (Dune, A Song of Ice and Fire, Feist's "Empire" trilogy) but the Klingon stuff on TNG was dealt with in such a shallow, uninteresting manner. I've never really cared for the Klingons. Not a single drop of subtlety to the race. As far as adversarial Trek races go, I find the Cardassians infinitely more interesting/watchable.
I myself am not a fan of the TNG era klingons in any way. While I certainly enjoy seeing alien cultures do things in a different way, I have huge issues with TNG Klingons because every single one of them acts the same freaking way. SFDebris made a point about this in his Star Trek VI review that I would like to quote here, because I honestly can't say it any better or different than he would.

The Klingons shift later in TNG when it went from being great warriors, to being all about being a warrior, to total cultural obsession over being a warrior, it got to be too much. They became space vikings, and in my opinion a stereotype.
Remember Worf's son Alexander? In TNG, Worf would teach him that "A Klingon's honor is more important to him than his life", and even in DS9 tries to get Alexander to become a warrior even though he has little interest in doing so. It just paints everyone as one dimensional characters.
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Old May 14 2013, 05:35 PM   #945
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Yeah I have to agree about the Klingons. The Viking/Native American/ancient warrior stuff in TNG just never really interested me that much (and like the Kazon in VOY, almost made them seem too primitive to be building fleets of warships and flying around in space).

To me the more militant, Nazi-style Klingons of TOS were not only more believable but a lot more threatening as well. I would have loved to have delved more into their culture instead.
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