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Old May 13 2013, 03:26 PM   #136
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The right person won. Nice to see.
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Old May 13 2013, 03:55 PM   #137
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Nice. Cochran is undoubtedly one of the more deserving winners of Survivor, he was very clever in his final tribal too, like with the answer to Malcolm's question (although he surely had his vote in the bag in any case).
When he cast his vote, Malcolm did say that it wasn't for who he thought he was going to vote for, so maybe Cochran's answer did sway him.


I'm glad Cochran won all the votes so Dawn didn't get second and the $100k to fix her teeth. I assume her and Sherri will split second and third. Not that Sherri had a chance to win, but boy did she give shitty answers at the final tribal council (the few times any of the jury even bothered to address her).
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Old May 13 2013, 04:59 PM   #138
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I was surprised by the reaction Sherry was getting at tribal. Sure she flew under the radar and did nothing, but people have won doing that.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:56 PM   #139
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A great ending! I have been a big Cochran fan since the first time he played (you can go back and read that thread as proof, others didn't like him but I stuck by him!). I knew he had the potential to be a really amazing player.

The reunion show was a bit strange. They've often shown past Survivors in the audience, but I'm not sure why we had to interview them so often this time. Rudy's interview was...awkward. As well as the interview with that little girl.

I didn't even realize until more than halfway through that the pre-jury Survivors weren't on the stage as they usually are after the vote is read. You know, I think it really speaks to how awesome and crazy this season was that two of the most controversial players that would have been the whole story on a more boring season, Shamar and Brandon, weren't even mentioned in the reunion and yet they were not lacking for material.

Sherri continued to be a non-entity. Did Jeff even ask her any questions after the vote was read? The jury basically ignored her and then she verbally assaulted the one person who did address her (Eric). And somehow, even with half the cast not on stage, there still wasn't enough time for questions.

By the way, what the hell was Eddie talking about when he said he would use the money for a bar/dog park? That was so strange.

So it looks like the rumors about the next season of Survivor are true. Basically a "blood is thicker than water" theme of castaways playing with family members. Actually what I've heard is that it will be returning players with a family member. Haven't they tapped that well dry by now? I saw a completely rumored list of returnees and it included Kat and her cousin; I had totally forgotten about that creepy incestuous relationship.

I guess we'll see what happens next season!
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Old May 13 2013, 06:09 PM   #140
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I'm so glad Cochrane won, as he was the only one who deserved the million dollars out of the final five who went into the episode at the start. That was probably the most dominant game play since Boston Rob's last season. It would have been completely unsatisfying and would have dragged this season's rank as one of the better seasons down big-time if anyone else had won, and only the latter half of the season was good anyway. Cochrane was getting a bit full of himself at times (hey "challenge monster," you did have a major advantage in two of them), but for the most part he lived up to his own hype this time and was a 180 degrees away from his terrible and disappointing performance last time, where he just folded under the pressure.

I was wondering how Sherri and Dawn would be paid too, since neither of them got any votes. Do they both win the second place prize of $100,000 (Dawn deserves it more than Sherri, but not by much)? Do they split the second and third place prize money? It would have been nice if some more emphasis was placed on this during that waste of a reunion show.

Brenda is catching a lot of flack around the web for her "mean-spirited" treatment of Dawn by making her remove her false teeth, and I'm sure there was some payback involved, but at the same time she did have a valid point in bringing it up. Dawn said she was ready to walk off the show and give up the million dollars if she had to appear on camera without her bottom teeth, and Brenda saved her from having to make that choice. So, Brenda was essentially saying "Why should I give my vote to someone who was willing to quit over vanity?" It calls into question her honesty and the whole "I'm playing for my kid's college fund" stuff if she was so easily willing to quit. Now, I think Brenda could have made the same point without forcing her to actually go through with it, because all of Dawn's reluctance to pull them out made it pretty clear that she was lying about saying she wouldn't have quit that day, so while it was sort of a cheap shot and a bit of revenge on her part, I do see where Brenda was coming from and don't think it reflects too badly on her.

Sherri gave one of the absolutely worst final tribal council performances I have ever seen. Who the hell brags about how wealthy they are and how many businesses and employees they have when you're asking people to vote to give you a million dollars? Every other millionaire who's been on the show has known to keep that a secret if they could (unless they were widely recognized, like Jimmy Johnson. Jeff Kent was able to skate by most people). Also, telling everyone that she treated them like her employees? How off-putting. And while Eric was completely accurate about her not doing anything this season (ironic coming from Eric), flying below radar is a valid strategy to get to the finals, so I thought he was a bit over-the-top in his criticism of her; and it was also a bit strange to see Eric finally wake up and get mad about something, since he seemed so mellow. That being said, Sherri handled it the completely wrong way, and managed to alienate even more of the jury by shouting Eric down and saying she didn't need his vote. Not that I think she would have received any votes anyway, but if she even had any chance she completely blew it there.

I did feel bummed for Eric. Getting medevac'd after making it to the final episode is the worst. I don't think he's that great a player or very charismatic, but I hope he gets another shot at returning in the near future.

Eddie was exactly as he was described by both himself and Cochrane: an idiot. A bar with dogs? I'm pretty sure that would be a health code violation. Plus, his question to Cochrane (also bar related) was moronic, but Cochrane --as he did with all the questions-- answered it perfectly and with grace and humor.

I thought Andrea and Michael came off by far the best out of the jury members. Andrea was a real class act by congratulating everyone and saying she has no bitterness over the blindside and appreciates the gameplay. It doesn't make for great TV, but it was nice to see nonetheless. I hope she gets to return as well, since she seems to learn and modify her gameplay a bit each time; though she's got to stop clinging on to the "hot guys" so much. She's a strong player in her own right and shouldn't rely on that. Michael had a good point about how Cochrane sort of relied upon Dawn's intelligence gathering and was not getting a lot of criticism that she was, although Cochrane also did not form the tight emotional bonds with people that she did, so it was less of a bitter pill to swallow when he got you voted out.

Philip was surprisingly kind of entertaining and rational in both the tribal and the reunion show. Of course, there was the ridiculous voting Sherri out of Stealth'R'Us crap (Malcolm's reaction was hilarious), but I think that was just for fun. He paid a great complement to Cochrane on his gameplay and was funny at the reunion show.

Malcolm and Reynold are both strong physical players, and Malcolm is marginally good at strategy (but great at making big moves which shake things up even if they don't always work out for him in the long run), but I don't think it's possible for these two to be any more full of themselves if they tried. Both of them made the tribal council questions about themselves, which is the height of arrogance. And Malcolm with his Legends of the Fall hair better not quit his day job, because he was an awful actor even with the low bar that's set by soap opera acting.

That was one of the better final tribal councils we've had, but one of the worst reunion shows ever, and reunion shows also don't set much of a high standard to begin with. I hated that they didn't even let the other contestants besides the jury sit on the stage. I think they earned that much respect at least. They used to at least try and ask all or most of them a question, then it got down to just talking to the interesting ones, and now they've eliminated them altogether. I guess we needed to waste more time showing that teenage girls get nervous on camera when they're awkwardly asked to talk about their crushes (on Malcolm), that old people are cute with their casual bigotry (Rudy), that Boston Rob could whore his book out like nobody's business, and that Richard Hatch likes to get naked. Really, riveting stuff, producers. I thought Boston Rob was going to say that Philip's stalkerish man-crush on him was a bit creepy, but I guess not. One of the fan theories is that they didn't put the rest of the contestants on stage to draw attention away from the fact that Brandon was not asked to come back for the reunion show, but who cares? He recorded a remembrance of the fallen survivors clip, so they can't be that upset with him, and even if he wasn't there, so what? Show everyone else. I think they just keep cutting everyone out to waste time. Honestly, they didn't even ask Sherri, Dawn, and Cochrane that many questions. The one pointed question Jeff asked was why Malcolm didn't keep searching for the immunity idol even with Andrea shadowing him (answer: he actually did keep looking for a while, it just wasn't shown) but that was answered in a video clip a long time ago, so that wasn't even that great a question. I don't care if Shamar was a dickhead, I want the other people up there being asked some interesting questions, not seeing a bunch of filler from people who weren't even on this season.

The clue about next season first made me think something shark related, like Australia again or South Africa, but after a second I got the "blood is thicker than water" connection. So obviously it's going to be a bunch of family members competing together. I don't know how that's going to play out, since the obvious move if the families are only part of the tribes would be for individual players to vote out the family members immediately, since obviously they're going to stay loyal to each other. Even if you don't care about voting out a member of your own family, it would make you irredeemable in the eyes of the other contestants and fans voting for the fan favorite. The solution would be to make both tribes up entirely out of different families so that they wouldn't be the obvious first targets (just like how anyone who gets too flirty early on gets voted out right away too). I'm just hoping that with it being families that they don't go for the obvious and have a gaggle of Hantz family members on the show, because the three or four of them they've shown so far have all been assholes. Boston Rob and his wife Amanda(?) would be an obvious choice if they go for returning family members, but with both of them being former winners and BR being such a dominant and well liked player I'd have to think they'd be major targets right out the gate. Maybe they'll stick to families of unknowns, but the trend has been to have returning players each season now.

Anyway, great latter half of the season, with some of the best tribal councils ever, and the person who deserved to win won, so all in all I'm very happy with how things went down.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:21 PM   #141
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^As for next season, my own thought is that it will probably be a tribe of returning players, and then another tribe of their family members, forcing them to play against each other until at least the merge. But who knows. And luckily from what I've heard the Hantzes have not been invited back. I really hope that rumor is true.
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Old May 13 2013, 08:42 PM   #142
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Well I sure am happy the best player won. I really think Cochrane concocted one of the finer seasons I've seen anyone play. He managed to control the game but not from a prominent standpoint, he managed to be likeable enough that no one harbored any ill will towards him and I was really impressed with his "gift of the gab". He even stepped it up in the area you wouldn't expect him to, challenges. Great Jury answers too, and that comment he made about Harvard was priceless.

Sherri was remarkable in one sense - she somehow managed to put together an even worse final Tribal Council than Phillip did a few seasons back. I would have thought that to be an unattainable goal.

I liked Eddie's dog bar idea, couldn't stop laughing. But yeah, total simpleton. I like how the doctor seemed shocked he knew what an IV would do to Eric.

You have got to feel....something for Eric. Twice now he's been the 5th to last, but could have gone further both times if he didn't give away his immunity last time and hadn't gotten sick this time around.

Fuck you Dawn, glad you lost. You're a disgrace.

Welp, I guess the cat is out of the bag and the world now knows I got Brenda pregnant.

That really turned in to a fantastic season. WANT MOAR. I like the idea for next season, can't wait. That usually comes out in Sept I think...
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We were trying to figure out how Brenda had enough time to be that pregnant
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Old May 14 2013, 01:31 AM   #144
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^ Garak's spawn grow at a substantially accelerated rate.

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I liked Eddie's dog bar idea, couldn't stop laughing. But yeah, total simpleton. I like how the doctor seemed shocked he knew what an IV would do to Eric.
When he started talking, I was like, who the hell is this smart MF'er, and what has he done with poor Eddie? But I think it was equally funny because Eric was asking the doctor, and Eddie just took over the whole discussion. He was right, but still, he just cut in there.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:43 AM   #145
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I tweeted Cochrane about my idea fot him to do a commentary on survivor on Jeffs talk show
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Old May 14 2013, 01:45 AM   #146
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I was surprised by the reaction Sherry was getting at tribal. Sure she flew under the radar and did nothing, but people have won doing that.
Likable people have won doing that. Sherri was a loner the whole game.

I hated that they didn't even let the other contestants besides the jury sit on the stage.
Based on the cast spoilers I've seen for next season, I think the reason they didn't let the non-jury members on stage is so nobody would notice the gaps. (Hint: One other person besides Brandon)

Edit: Nevermind, I think I confused the person I'm referring to with a different person with the same first name.

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By the way, what the hell was Eddie talking about when he said he would use the money for a bar/dog park? That was so strange.
I think it's a great idea. I'd love to see a bar that caters specifically to dogs owners. Some bars and restaurants allow dogs in their patio seating areas. And some bars around here that don't serve food will allow dogs inside on a limited basis, so why not?
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I've been thinking about Malcolm and how his previous season was his downfall in this season. Last season he was fighting for his life for the whole show. He was on a tribe that couldn't win a challenge and then switched tribes and was separated from his only ally. Then merged. I think that led him to make desperate moves long before there was any need to do them. He was fine with his majority alliance till he betrayed them for no apparent reason. If he had waited longer to make his move he would have been more successful.
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I've been thinking about Malcolm and how his previous season was his downfall in this season. Last season he was fighting for his life for the whole show. He was on a tribe that couldn't win a challenge and then switched tribes and was separated from his only ally. Then merged. I think that led him to make desperate moves long before there was any need to do them. He was fine with his majority alliance till he betrayed them for no apparent reason. If he had waited longer to make his move he would have been more successful.
Malcolm was right that they would have targeted him because he's physically strong, and that he needed to make a move against the strategic players ASAP.

He was wrong that he had the numbers to do anything, and a complete incompetence when it came to selling his alliance. He applied to Cochran's sense of masculinity and Sherri's desire to come in 5th. Malcolm couldn't sell water to man stranded in the desert.
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Favorites must have a different meaning in TV land. Go Malcolm and Brenda.
It was a great season, and looking forward to start of the next season soon.
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