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Old May 11 2013, 09:07 AM   #916
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Just watched Ensigns of Command. I think while I still like the SD Shiliak better, seeing them is motion in HD isn't as bad as I thought they would be. Looking at Trekcore's screencap though, it really did look like Armus without the Goo. Glad I fears were misplaced.

I do still like the episode and McKinze is hot, but man I wonder what it would have been if they had gotten a better actress who didn't sound so wooden. I also still would love to hear that John Wayne voice, if CBS-D is looking for any other special features maybe do a feature that focuses on things that didn't seem to work, according to the crew?
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Old May 11 2013, 10:44 AM   #917
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I noticed in Transfigurations, the scene in the briefing room, John has his on on the window sill, and is standing with his head in "space" The location he was standing it would not be possible if the briefing room's windows had glass in them. I really hate it when directors don't pay attention to details like that. They did stuff like that through out the run of the series.

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Maybe the briefing room windows are, in fact, bendy forcefields!
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Old May 11 2013, 01:02 PM   #918
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Just watched Ensigns of Command. ...

I do still like the episode and McKinze is hot...
I kept waiting for her mustache to reach out and grab me. If they ever do a 3D version those scenes will be downright terrifying.
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Old May 11 2013, 05:45 PM   #919
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The Enemy still holds up incredibly well. There's a real sense of urgency to the story, the alien planet actually feels like a real, alien planet, and Geordi is written probably the best we've ever seen on the show (especially after the somewhat embarassing way he was written in Booby Trap).

The only false note for me is Tomalak. I used to think he was a great villain and antagonist for Picard, and it was only in All Good Things that he became overly hammy.... but nope, he was hammy as hell from the start.
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Old May 11 2013, 07:02 PM   #920
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Lots of good Romulan stuff in season 3... And none of it mentioned in Nemesis!
Such a missed opportunity that movie was...
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Old May 12 2013, 05:36 AM   #921
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I am watching inside the writer's room. So far this has been the best documentary feature on the TNG season sets.


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I am watching inside the writer's room. So far this has been the best documentary feature on the TNG season sets.


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I watched it too. What a great panel discussion. I really liked how comprehensive it was, covering the overall series and not just the third season. I was wondering if them moving on to bigger projects, especially with Ron Moore and DS9 and Battlestar Galactica would hinder their opinions of TNG but it sounded like they genuinely loved working there, despite the turmoil in the early seasons. I especially liked what they said about Jeri Taylor. I hope Burnett and Ley, Jr get her for an interview for Season 4. I would love to know what she is up to these days.
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Who Watches the Watchers looks fantastic. The shots of the Enterprise in orbit, and all of the external shots down on the planet - wow!
There was a yellow tinge to this episode originally (kind of like the oft described vaseline over the lens look of STNG SD), the colors are simply amazing. I love this episode as much as when it came out, but maybe a little bit more now!

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Agreed, it looked incredible. Pretty much my favourite episode, so I love seeing it refreshed like this.

Also looking forward very much to season five's Darmok getting the same treatment.
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Old May 12 2013, 02:43 PM   #924
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I am watching inside the writer's room. So far this has been the best documentary feature on the TNG season sets.


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I watched it too. What a great panel discussion. I really liked how comprehensive it was, covering the overall series and not just the third season. I was wondering if them moving on to bigger projects, especially with Ron Moore and DS9 and Battlestar Galactica would hinder their opinions of TNG but it sounded like they genuinely loved working there, despite the turmoil in the early seasons. I especially liked what they said about Jeri Taylor. I hope Burnett and Ley, Jr get her for an interview for Season 4. I would love to know what she is up to these days.
It was also interesting to hear RDM's story about the episode Family, and how Gene basically trashed it. I thought it was a great episode. Also, by season 7 the writer's room was running short on people and short on ideas. It was also fun how RDM demonstrated on the white board how they used to break an episode, and later in the special they were saying how seeing the words on the board made it seems like the old days again..lol

They all took what they had learned on Trek to projects they did later. Just look at RDM. When he finally left during Voyager he couldn't stand the direction the show was going. BSG was a direct reflection of everything he felt was wrong with Voyager, and the Roddenberry Box.



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Old May 12 2013, 04:06 PM   #925
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I am watching inside the writer's room. So far this has been the best documentary feature on the TNG season sets.


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I watched it too. What a great panel discussion. I really liked how comprehensive it was, covering the overall series and not just the third season. I was wondering if them moving on to bigger projects, especially with Ron Moore and DS9 and Battlestar Galactica would hinder their opinions of TNG but it sounded like they genuinely loved working there, despite the turmoil in the early seasons. I especially liked what they said about Jeri Taylor. I hope Burnett and Ley, Jr get her for an interview for Season 4. I would love to know what she is up to these days.
It was also interesting to hear RDM's story about the episode Family, and how Gene basically trashed it. I thought it was a great episode. Also, by season 7 the writer's room was running short on people and short on ideas. It was also fun how RDM demonstrated on the white board how they used to break an episode, and later in the special they were saying how seeing the words on the board made it seems like the old days again..lol

They all took what they had learned on Trek to projects they did later. Just look at RDM. When he finally left during Voyager he couldn't stand the direction the show was going. BSG was a direct reflection of everything he felt was wrong with Voyager, and the Roddenberry Box.



-Chris
If there was a theme to the special features this season, it was the constant fighting with Gene Roddenberry on the smallest minutiae. From the Jeremy being too evolved debate, to the whole Spock thing, to Family, it sounded like Gene just had a ton of issues. I really do wonder how TNG would have turned out had he kept it in his grasp. I hate to say it because I thank Gene for Star Trek, but it sounds like he did Star Trek a favor by stepping back.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:43 PM   #926
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Even on the original Star Trek, Gene was clashing with the writers. Gene Coon really was able to help shape the series and made a lot of it work. Same with Piller on TNG. He was in the middle of what the writers wanted to do, and what gene wanted, and then deciding what was best for the show. Also not being allowed to mention the old show was just a stupid decision. It would have helped connect the two shows.

I just find it interesting that Star Wars is now at where Trek was in the 87, and in 09 Star Wars fans want to deny it, but that franchise now needs to get beyond the "Lucas box" to survive.

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Old May 12 2013, 06:59 PM   #927
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The Assimilating the TNG documentary. I am up to the Pillar Memo. Ira really had to keep the team together after it came out. Pillar really failed leadership at that moment. He should have listened to Ira.


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Old May 12 2013, 08:46 PM   #928
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by season 7 the writer's room was running short on people and short on ideas.
It probably didn't help that they were spread so thin with four different projects going at once.
TNG season 7 in production
DS9 Season 2 in production
Voyager in pre-production
Generations in pre-production
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Old May 12 2013, 10:14 PM   #929
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Just watched Ensigns of Command.

The text of the treaty with the Sheliak (shown on screen at 38:14) is worth a close read

Couldn't find any screenshot or transcription of it online, so I've typed it out here. I've probably not read the numbers right, and "colme" and "destance" are misspellings which appear in the episode.

"All requests for changes in the text of provision (b) must be submitted in writing or by a terribly complex subspace long as it is encrypted and unreadable, as well as garbled and confused, so as to conform to the provision (a.294 a-c) of the incomprehensible acts of widdershins, Federation document locator number 784830.B340 (Section 876234). All of this is simply to get the text along to subparagraph 832, which is quite a ways down the page. You might think that this is incredibly clever stuff. Boy are you wrong.

Rick is totally getting a Kei and Yuri reference into the text. You know, the two cute girls with the big guns. We might also mention Akira, Ranma Nibunnoichi, Urusei Yatsura, Rhea Gall Force, and a few other animated films. The Federation at this point in time seems more tangled up in paperwork than the Iran-Contra scandal business.

In the text of the treaty, or didn't anyone think about that eventuality when the bloody document was first drawn up? Never mind, it's a rhetorical question anyway, but we just thought we'd try to demonstrate our legalistic cleverness. Just one more until the critical one, where we talk about consultations and that sort of thing.

We can do search-and-replace. Colme to think about it, that's what the Sheliac want to do with the colony on the planet. This section deals with the right of each party to confer with the other in the event something happens with the treaty. This may take the form of normal EM spectrum communication, subspace EM communication, face-to-face meetings, telephone tag, messages in bottles or any other water-tight form of enclosure, gossip, half-truths, outright lies, or face-to-face meetings. Interruption of treaty compliance shall not exceed one (1.00 x 10e8) standard UFP solar year (except during the month of July). See technical TA48589.1742 A-CE58945) for code inputs. LCARS updates on treaty compliance interruptions shall take place at each starbase layover, or when commanded by ranking UFP (or other designated body) officials at Starfleet Headquarters, 24-583 Federation Drive, San Francisco, CA, Earth, Sol Sector. Request for assistance may be placed by transmission to standard Starfleet booster station for channeling to UFP Treaty Office (Sol Sector).

Acceptable if appropriate notification is given to Federation Bureau of Treaties (Sol Sector). See TA 98745.234(I-F) for schedule of codes and temporal adjustment factors. Third Party Agreements. Third party assistance may be requested from a Federation if the destance from the vessel to Sol Sector is greater than 5,000 lightyears. UFP standards measurement bureau units. Assistance may also be requested if the vessel is less than 1,000 lightyears of a standard UFP subspace relay booster station. And that's the way it is."
EDIT: Just noticed this screenshot on Memory Alpha too: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File...f_Armens_1.jpg (text is slightly different in this)

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That's pretty funny.
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