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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.28%
A 161 21.55%
A- 101 13.52%
B+ 83 11.11%
B 58 7.76%
B- 27 3.61%
C+ 40 5.35%
C 38 5.09%
C- 25 3.35%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.82%
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Old May 12 2013, 06:02 PM   #1696
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
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Old May 12 2013, 06:06 PM   #1697
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Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
No, he's a fictitious character.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:07 PM   #1698
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
I see.
I stand corrected & defeated by your flawless logic.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:15 PM   #1699
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Fantastic movie! Zackary Quinto was fantastic as Spock, Benedict Cumberbatch was surprisingly good as Kahn, great special affects, and the whole thing was just so great.

My favourite part has to be when Kirk supposedly dies and Spock goes mental, and then fights Kahn.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:16 PM   #1700
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Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
I see.
I stand corrected & defeated by your flawless logic.
I love how he ignores evidence that Kirk was indeed a thrill seeker.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:19 PM   #1701
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Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
I see.
I stand corrected & defeated by your flawless logic.
This actually made me laugh out loud.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:26 PM   #1702
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I love how he ignores evidence that Kirk was indeed a thrill seeker.
Oh, yes. Kirk's character is that of thrill-seeker because he once climbed a mountain without a rope... Sure.

Perhaps it helps you hipster kids to identify with Kirk by imagining his character as just a regular guy that wild stuff happens to. I guess that makes it easier than realizing his character is just better than you in every way.

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Old May 12 2013, 06:29 PM   #1703
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I don't even...
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Old May 12 2013, 06:34 PM   #1704
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I love how he ignores evidence that Kirk was indeed a thrill seeker.
Oh, yes. Kirk's character is that of thrill-seeker because he once climbed a mountain without a rope... Sure.

Perhaps it helps you hipster kids to identify with Kirk by imagining his character as just a regular guy that wild stuff happens to. I guess that makes it easier than realizing his character is just better than you in every way.
And get off my lawn!

Oh I imagine you're gonna last long around here.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:48 PM   #1705
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SalvorHardin wrote: View Post
Because obviously people in their 20s have exactly the same experiences, the same outlook on life and the same characters as in their 50s.
Kirk isn't "people".
No, he's a fictitious character.
I think that is, 'he's a fictional character.'

(you don't have to say that you stand corrected & defeated by my blah, blah blah.)

The idea of Kirk as thrillseeker is something you can buy or not buy, but for me the only genuine evidence of him having a deathwish comes in the films, once he is dealing with his mortality in TFF and later.

I see that more as Shatner and his own input rather than Kirk.

I remember the old 70s joke, "but captain, if we go down there it is certain death " .... "it is ... okay, let's go!" but that's a gross oversimplification of the character.

A lot of the danger he faces in the series is simply a matter of being true to his duties and following his ethical dictates (and in ideal dramatic terms, doing so when duties and ethical dictates come into conflict -- now THAT's 'the best of both worlds' in my book.)

I remember in the M&C novels how they would not let Spock & McCoy let go of harping on Kirk's exposing himself to the cloud creature in OBSESSION, but again that points up the issue of feeling it is his responsibility, again the ethical dictates aspect.

Kirk might well be a wild man on shore leave, which is broadly hinted at (emphasis on the 'broad's), but that is not necessarily being a thrillseeker or a deathlover, unless he is having sex with a bucktoothed tribble.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:50 PM   #1706
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Seriously? I loved everything he did, starting with wrecking half of London and then kicking the crap out of the Klingons.
Wrecking half of London? That's what we were made to believe by the poster and the trailers. But it wasn't half of London, it was ONE bloody building! That's exactly my complaint, the advertising made promises that the movie didn't keep! No darkness, no detonated fleet, no Earth falling, no friendships torn apart ... nothing!
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Old May 12 2013, 06:51 PM   #1707
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Maybe you should sue...
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Old May 12 2013, 06:54 PM   #1708
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Kirk isn't "people".
No, he's a fictitious character.
I think that is, 'he's a fictional character.'

(you don't have to say that you stand corrected & defeated by my blah, blah blah.)
Ah, but I do stand corrected...
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Old May 12 2013, 06:57 PM   #1709
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Maybe you should sue...
With real products, you would, wouldn't you?
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Old May 12 2013, 07:01 PM   #1710
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Maybe you should sue...
Maybe I should! The last time I felt so screwed by false advertising was when I bought that thing that they promised would turn my beer belly into a sixpack within two weeks!

Well, I'm joking ... but you get the point!
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