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Old May 10 2013, 02:30 AM   #31
wingsabre
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Re: Why didn't the Federation salvage Empok Nor?

I think from the pilot, Terok Nor became DS9 because the Federation was asked by Bajor to help them rebuild from the occupation. It was mainly a humanitarian mission, and when Sisko discovered the wormhole the Federation actively sought to bring Bajor into the Federation because access to the wormhole was a huge strategic gain for the Federation.

Empok Nor was located in the Travis System and abandoned by the Cardassians. The Travis System was in Cardassian space, until their war with the Klingons. It looks like there was no real strategic value to that sector other than the proximity to Federation space. It had no value to the Dominions. Maybe during the first Cardassian-Federation war, they used the base as a station to launch attacks. The first introduction of the base identified that the Cardassians used it as a research station on psychotropic drugs, and probably did researched on weaponizing it. They probably chose the location because it kept research far away from main Cardassian space, and was far enough so they can deploy their psychotropic weapons on enemies.

Instead of repairing an abandoned station, filled with traps, and with systems that don't really match Federation technology, it would likely be faster to just build a brand new station from scratch. Towing that station would take years if they can't warp it to another sector. During the first season of DS9 there were several incidences where the station's hidden booby traps were activated, even after the Federation attempted to clear them all out.

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Weren't the mines on Bajor mostly on the surface, maybe the odd moon.

Why ship raw ore up to the station to process when you could just build a processing plant on the surface and ship the refined product?
Currently in the US, there's a plan to build a giant multi-hundred mile long pipe line from Canada to Texas, called the Keystone pipeline, where it will carry crude shale oil to refineries in Texas. If you could explain why it would be better to just build refineries in Montana or some other border state with Canada instead of building the pipeline, then your very logical question about building ore processing plants on the surface on the world would make a lot more sense.

With that said, I think that there were ore processing plants on the surface of the planet, however certain raw ore types were probably brought up to the stations because they might be a specific rare type that required the station's energy output to process it. Additionally processing could further mean distribution of the processed ores to freighters, and they needed Bajorian slaves to short them.

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Old May 10 2013, 11:43 AM   #32
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Re: Why didn't the Federation salvage Empok Nor?

The first introduction of the base identified that the Cardassians used it as a research station on psychotropic drugs
...Which seemed to take up all of one room and involve two test subjects. For all we know, similar research took place on Empok Nor, and played no greater role there.

If you could explain why it would be better to just build refineries in Montana or some other border state with Canada instead of building the pipeline, then your very logical question about building ore processing plants on the surface on the world would make a lot more sense.
Oil flows; ore doesn't. In order to move ore any appreciable distances, you need waterways, or in a worst case scenario you go for the hugely more expensive option of using a railroad.

Whether ore in the Trek reality would flow is unknown. Beaming it to orbit would appear cheap and simple, but we may be deceived as to the true cost and complexity of beaming because we see Starfleet (with is high priorities and endless resources) use it so liberally on small-scale applications. Flying it to orbit in suitable barges sounds expensive, plus we never saw such barges in either Cardassian or Bajoran hands.

Or did we? Both Cardassia and Bajor operate two types of commonly seen triangular ship, but with interstellar capabilities that would appear completely superfluous to the ore barge mission. Cardassian allies also operate a type frequently seen in Bajoran hands - the one originally appearing as the Wadi ship (or was it perhaps a Bajoran ship transporting the Wadi after all?) and featuring the same sort of "warp engine" hexagons as one of the triangle ships, plus the same sort of hull rings as the Cardassian patrol ship.

If Bajor got its share of Cardassian interstellar hardware when the occupiers withdraw, it would seem odd for them to fail to obtain the supposedly less precious ore barges, too. I mean, if the Cardassians didn't take along or blow up all of their warp vessels when they left, why should they take along or scuttle mere barges?

We could of course also argue that these common types were Bajoran, and Cardassians stole some during the occupation, explaining why they couldn't take all of these from Bajor when withdrawing (and why Bajoran refugees and terrorists had such easy access to these in, say, "Ensign Ro" or "Past Prologue"). This wouldn't help with the barge problem, though.

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Old May 11 2013, 08:13 PM   #33
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Re: Why didn't the Federation salvage Empok Nor?

What really would have been nice would be to have it towed to a stabilized Barzan wormhole to the delta Quadrant, with the long range transporter linking DS9 to it.

That would be a good way to move fast.
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Old May 12 2013, 04:37 PM   #34
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Re: Why didn't the Federation salvage Empok Nor?

We know next to nothing about this long range transporter. For one thing, we don't know if it exists: "Covenant" shows no long range transporting, merely Kira leaving DS9 and ending up on Empok Nor somehow, and the only people to believe in this being a transporting feat are heroes at loss to explain what just happened, and a villain with an interest in lying about how Kira was caught. And we never heard of transporters of any sort actually working through wormholes; the one attempt at such in "Eye of the Needle" was a failure.

Towing Empok Nor to the Alpha Quadrant end of the wormhole, and sailing the better equipped and armed DS9 through it to the Gamma end, would probably have been a smart move, though... At least communications could have been kept flowing.

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