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Old May 10 2013, 09:00 PM   #16
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Re: TrekCore: "Important News about DS9 in HD Coming May 10"

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Just applay the usual sweetening by CBS-D and this will look brilliant!
No! Please, no sweetening of an kind! I want the ORIGINAL DS9 in HD, not some sweetened up version!
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Old May 10 2013, 09:15 PM   #17
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Just applay the usual sweetening by CBS-D and this will look brilliant!
No! Please, no sweetening of an kind! I want the ORIGINAL DS9 in HD, not some sweetened up version!
The "sweetening" he refers to is the stuff that CBS Digital has been doing to make the TNG shots look more realistic - interactive lighting passes, planets with atmospheric glow, better depth of field - NOT changes to the content, like with TOS.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:20 PM   #18
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The "sweetening" he refers to is the stuff that CBS Digital has been doing to make the TNG shots look more realistic - interactive lighting passes, planets with atmospheric glow, better depth of field - NOT changes to the content, like with TOS.
I know. And honestly, even that "sweetening" was too much for me and kept me from buying the TNG-R sets.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:22 PM   #19
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Just applay the usual sweetening by CBS-D and this will look brilliant!
No! Please, no sweetening of an kind! I want the ORIGINAL DS9 in HD, not some sweetened up version!
I think you misunderstand. I'm talking about changes that make the CGI look more real/cinematic. This gives you a great idea of what I'm talking about. Both sequences use the same CGI shot, yet CBS-D makes it look a trillion times better. This is what I'm talking about.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:22 PM   #20
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The "sweetening" he refers to is the stuff that CBS Digital has been doing to make the TNG shots look more realistic - interactive lighting passes, planets with atmospheric glow, better depth of field - NOT changes to the content, like with TOS.
I know. And honestly, even that "sweetening" was too much for me and kept me from buying the TNG-R sets.
Then yes, the DVDs are what you want if you don't want the show to be remastered.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:25 PM   #21
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By the way, Aatrek, that's one of my avatars you're wearing there. Took me hours to make the stars loop right. It's nice to see that it's still around.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:28 PM   #22
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By the way, Aatrek, that's one of my avatars you're wearing there. Took me hours to make the stars loop right. It's nice to see that it's still around.
Really!? Well, I think it's great - good work!
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Old May 10 2013, 09:29 PM   #23
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Then yes, the DVDs are what you want if you don't want the show to be remastered.
Remastered, yes! Recreated, no! When will people finally get the difference!
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Old May 10 2013, 09:33 PM   #24
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Remastered, yes! Recreated, no! When will people finally get the difference!
How to remaster computer generated imagery, though? Re-rendering is re-mastering it in this case. There's no two ways about it, upscaling a CGI shot is certainly not remastering it. Making a new render of the original file is the right thing to do.

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Really!? Well, I think it's great - good work!
Thank you! I think I did for one of the TNG Avatar Contests a few years ago. Don't remember winning it, though.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:50 PM   #25
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How to remaster computer generated imagery, though? Re-rendering is re-mastering it in this case. There's no two ways about it, upscaling a CGI shot is certainly not remastering it. Making a new render of the original file is the right thing to do.
Re-rendering the original elements is ok, but re-creating them ruins it for me. Even if it's as subtle as in TNG-R. And don't get me started on TOS-R!
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Old May 10 2013, 10:08 PM   #26
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Re: TrekCore: "Important News about DS9 in HD Coming May 10"

Then you should try at least TNG S2. From what you've said it seems to me that you'll love that one.
Plus this set could use some more fans.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:11 PM   #27
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Re-rendering the original elements is ok, but re-creating them ruins it for me. Even if it's as subtle as in TNG-R. And don't get me started on TOS-R!
Well, you'll get no arguement from me concerning TOS-R. I'm really not a fan of the "updated effects" by any stretch of the imagination. And you are right, they had nothing to do with a remastering.

In the case of the CGI files for DS9, however, those are the original elements. Rendering them anew is analogous to putting the original 35 mm film elements in a projector and scan them for a more detailed picture. That's exactly how they should remaster those effects elements.

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Old May 10 2013, 10:12 PM   #28
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They should replace the meshes with higher resolution meshes with better textures and materials though. I'm thinking Tobias Richter/TheLightWorks. You can do that without making any changes to the rest of the scene (animations, lighting, so forth).
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Old May 10 2013, 10:23 PM   #29
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EDIT: Schon lustig, wie das Board immer mehr von deutschen Usern bevölkert wird.
Tjaha, wie Odo einst richtig bemerkte: "Sie sind überall!"
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Old May 10 2013, 10:26 PM   #30
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That remaster of the Honshu looks fantastic.

Surely if they have access to the original assets then it's too good an opportunity to pass up in favour of just upconverting the existing VFX.

This is great news!
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