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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old May 10 2013, 08:36 PM   #1456
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Well the augment blood dilemma is inconclusive...

Ok, next one, spoiler alert:

Scotty shoots Cumberbatch on the vengeance and he's out with one shot.
He's not though..isn't that the point?
Ahhh yes, I suppose so. *facepalm*

I definitely had my negative nitpick hat on during the movie it seems.
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Old May 10 2013, 08:48 PM   #1457
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I dunno, personally, I'm looking forward to the film - I'm seeing it on the 17th in 3D IMAX, probably taking my family to see it later on, then taking my best friend to see it.

Frankly, I'd rather see Khan himself than see a tired attempt to portray someone LIKE Khan. And instead of trying to impose the WOK storyline on another movie, we have a reinvented Khan (a la The Joker) in a new story. At least this is something new.

As for Khan being an ice cold mastermind type, I was talking my best friend recently and we were talking about how much movie tropes differ from era to era... And we agreed that if Khan had been written *now* instead of in the 60s, he'd be much more a cloak and dagger type and more morally ambiguous, because that's what the public will buy as a bad guy now.
^ This

Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo and Shinzon, have been nothing more than stupid attempts to make a Khan like villian, just give us Khan for god's sakes.
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Old May 10 2013, 08:53 PM   #1458
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I think the main problem is that the writers seem to be pulling the villains out of their asses instead of naturally developing them.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:40 PM   #1459
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Chu'lak wrote: View Post
GMDreia wrote: View Post
I dunno, personally, I'm looking forward to the film - I'm seeing it on the 17th in 3D IMAX, probably taking my family to see it later on, then taking my best friend to see it.

Frankly, I'd rather see Khan himself than see a tired attempt to portray someone LIKE Khan. And instead of trying to impose the WOK storyline on another movie, we have a reinvented Khan (a la The Joker) in a new story. At least this is something new.

As for Khan being an ice cold mastermind type, I was talking my best friend recently and we were talking about how much movie tropes differ from era to era... And we agreed that if Khan had been written *now* instead of in the 60s, he'd be much more a cloak and dagger type and more morally ambiguous, because that's what the public will buy as a bad guy now.
^ This

Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo and Shinzon, have been nothing more than stupid attempts to make a Khan like villian, just give us Khan for god's sakes.
If Soran and Ru'afo are supposed to be Khan-ripoffs, then Chang and Kruge are Khan-ripoffs as well.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:45 PM   #1460
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Yeah, might as well call all villains Khan rip-offs then.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:49 PM   #1461
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You know that somehow they're going to bring back NuKhan for the next film. Cumberbatch sold too many tickets for them.

Khan will be back. Not sure if it will be immediately, but no later than Star Trek 5.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:54 PM   #1462
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Khan will be back. Not sure if it will be immediately, but no later than Star Trek 5.
Or maybe they could use Khan and his augments as a basis for a new tv series?
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Old May 10 2013, 10:06 PM   #1463
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I dunno, personally, I'm looking forward to the film - I'm seeing it on the 17th in 3D IMAX, probably taking my family to see it later on, then taking my best friend to see it.

Frankly, I'd rather see Khan himself than see a tired attempt to portray someone LIKE Khan. And instead of trying to impose the WOK storyline on another movie, we have a reinvented Khan (a la The Joker) in a new story. At least this is something new.

As for Khan being an ice cold mastermind type, I was talking my best friend recently and we were talking about how much movie tropes differ from era to era... And we agreed that if Khan had been written *now* instead of in the 60s, he'd be much more a cloak and dagger type and more morally ambiguous, because that's what the public will buy as a bad guy now.
^ This

Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo and Shinzon, have been nothing more than stupid attempts to make a Khan like villian, just give us Khan for god's sakes.
If Soran and Ru'afo are supposed to be Khan-ripoffs, then Chang and Kruge are Khan-ripoffs as well.
I listed those specifically due their need for vengeance or payback for soemthing that had happened tot hem in the past. Kruge and Chang weren't motivated by anything other than their own ends.

Bog Queen wanted a partner in Picard, Soran wanted him family back, Ruafo wanted his youth and SHinzon wanted Pciard's blood and revenge on Earth because John Logan said so.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:08 PM   #1464
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The thirst for revenge is a strong motivation, that's why it is used a lot in fiction.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:18 PM   #1465
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I think another script writer from the TNG or movie era could do a much better job of a nuTrek movie, hell even Brannon Braga could write a better movie that is more reverant to the source material.
TNG writers had three swings and only First Contact ranks any better than a swing-and-a-miss and has aged poorly.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:30 PM   #1466
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Well, I saw it. And, contrary to what I'd been lead to believe by fellow Star Trek fans, this was a damned good, fun, film.

I don't know what people were expecting from a summer blockbuster: Tolstoy meets Roddenberry perhaps?
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Old May 10 2013, 10:36 PM   #1467
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I don't know what people were expecting from a summer blockbuster: Tolstoy meets Roddenberry perhaps?
I wonder why people always say this. Why do people, the audience, themselves allow summer blockbusters to be so empty and brainless?
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Old May 10 2013, 10:42 PM   #1468
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I don't know what people were expecting from a summer blockbuster: Tolstoy meets Roddenberry perhaps?
I wonder why people always say this. Why do people, the audience, themselves allow summer blockbusters to be so empty and brainless?
But it wasn't brainless (and it certainly had heart). Admittedly, it wasn't exactly a high-brow movie. On the other hand, it did deal with the security-liberty paradox, a tiny bit of humanitarian intervention vs non-interference, and a September 11th/Iraq War allegory thrown in for good measure.

Fast and Furious 6 will no doubt be brainless; STID is not.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:44 PM   #1469
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Khan will be back. Not sure if it will be immediately, but no later than Star Trek 5.
LOL as if they'll get that far.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:44 PM   #1470
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Khan will be back. Not sure if it will be immediately, but no later than Star Trek 5.
LOL as if they'll get that far.
Star Trek Five....THOUSAND.
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