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Old May 10 2013, 03:41 PM   #31
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Where's the equality? [SPOILERS]

In STID in order to put on another uniform for a landing party, Carol Marcus strips off to her underwear in a shuttle as Kirk peeks (a scene that miraculously made it into every single trailer...funny that). McCoy was on the same mission, so how come we donít get to see him stripped down to his skivvies?

Who wouldnít want to see Karl urban in his underwear? Iím hoping itís in the deleted scenes.

Instead, why didnít she just get dressed in her quarters then meet McCoy in the shuttlebay? We know she's female, we don't need to make sure by seeing boobs.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:42 PM   #32
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If Abrams put the engine room scene into the final cut why on Earth would anyone expect him to take it out of a "director's cut?"

The complainers will just have to learn to live with yet another thing in a Star Trek show not being exactly what they want.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:43 PM   #33
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Re: Where's the equality?

Because the film industry, especially the Hollywood film industry, has been, and always shall be, sexist.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:46 PM   #34
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Re: Where's the equality?

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Who wouldnít want to see Karl urban in his underwear? Iím hoping itís in the deleted scenes.
We know he's male, we don't need to make sure by seeing his underwear bulge.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:51 PM   #35
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Re: Where's the equality?

99% of all visual fiction includes focus on the female form. Almost every film includes a romance, and in sex scenes, the female body is in the center of attention, mostly covering the male body. There's no successful actress that hasn't done a nude scene or sex scene or nude photo shoot at some point, but there are a lot of successful actors that have never had to do any of that. Film industry is a male dominated one, and it shows that every single day.

Why is Zoe Saldana's swimsuit in Star Trek 2009 tighter (and also sexy red) than the swimsuits (in dull grey) of the male crew members?

Why where the space suits in Prometheus tighter for the females and looser for the males, with different chest armor for the females (covering less) and males (covering more)?

Why did Seven of Nine have to run around in a skintight catsuit?
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Old May 10 2013, 03:52 PM   #36
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Re: Where's the equality?

Kirk's in seen in his undies too, in the scene with the cat women. And the infamous shot of Carol lasts about as long in the movie as it does in the trailer.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:54 PM   #37
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Silly old people
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Old May 10 2013, 03:59 PM   #39
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Nibiru [SPOILERS]

I saw STID last night and have been musing on a few things, a couple of which deal with the planet of Nibiru at the start of the film.

If you've not seen the film, please turn back now.

Firstly, why is the Enterprise underwater? How many times has a ship successfully conducted observations and away missions from standard orbit? Why would they need to complicate the entire operation and risk exposing the ship to the inhabitants by taking it all the way through the atmosphere and then into the ocean? It baffled me.

Secondly, the crews actions on the planet (stopping the volcano) is in itself a violation of the Prime Directive, as they are interfering with the natural development of that species. As unpleasant as it may be to allow a race to die, had the Enterprise not been there the volcano would have erupted and that would be the end of them, by stopping the volcano they interruped the natural development of the native species--which is far worse than them just seeing a starship rise from the water.
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Old May 10 2013, 04:01 PM   #40
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Who wouldnít want to see Karl urban in his underwear? Iím hoping itís in the deleted scenes.
We know he's male, we don't need to make sure by seeing his underwear bulge.
And deserves just as much screen time as her undies flash did
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Old May 10 2013, 04:02 PM   #41
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As rushed as the film felt, I think it would need an extended cut!
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Old May 10 2013, 04:03 PM   #42
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To boldly go where no starship has gone before. Dive... Dive... Dive....

The only excuse I can see for them stopping the volcano is if it was going to errupt because of some other accidental interference by the Federation. Say a probe crashed there and it's antimatter containment was failing.
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Old May 10 2013, 04:06 PM   #43
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Who wouldn’t want to see Karl urban in his underwear? I’m hoping it’s in the deleted scenes.
We know he's male, we don't need to make sure by seeing his underwear bulge.
And deserves just as much screen time as her undies flash did
Well, it's not my cup of tea but I don't really object to it. Strip him JJ.

They should bring back the decontamination gel for the next film. Get them all naked simultaneously in one big decon gel orgy.
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Old May 10 2013, 04:06 PM   #44
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I was going to ask what the specific reason is for the Enterprise to hide under water instead of in space. Filmmakers said there was a very good reason. So what is it?
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Old May 10 2013, 04:07 PM   #45
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Firstly, why is the Enterprise underwater? How many times has a ship successfully conducted observations and away missions from standard orbit? Why would they need to complicate the entire operation and risk exposing the ship to the inhabitants by taking it all the way through the atmosphere and then into the ocean? It baffled me.
Because they needed another cool shot for the trailers.

Secondly, the crews actions on the planet (stopping the volcano) is in itself a violation of the Prime Directive, as they are interfering with the natural development of that species. As unpleasant as it may be to allow a race to die, had the Enterprise not been there the volcano would have erupted and that would be the end of them, by stopping the volcano they interruped the natural development of the native species--which is far worse than them just seeing a starship rise from the water.
Depends on what exactly you consider an "interruption of the natural development". Letting the vulcano erupt would have killed the entire civilization. Stopping the vulcano without being seen would have allowed the civilization to survive without their belief system being "polluted". I think the latter, but not the former, is what the Prime Directive initially was supposed to be about.
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