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Old May 10 2013, 01:57 PM   #16
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Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

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Spot on, AnthonyF. I thought the same when watching the movie - not bad overall, but the whole Khan reveal felt like a cheap trick.

Another thing that annoyed me to no end was the fact that several scenes felt as if they were just added to the movie so that they could be used out of context in one of the misleading trailers. For example the villain ship, which looked similar enough to the Enterprise so that its crash into water could have been the Enterprise. Or the Enterprise rising from the ocean in a completely separate scene, made to look as if it might be a follow-up to the crash.

Well that's the fault of the trailer, not the movie. They obviously didn't write their major SFX set pieces with creating a misleading trailer in mind.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:05 PM   #17
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Yeah, but I guess that is part of my (and perhaps Anthony's) problem here. If analyzing helped to find out that the crashing ship wasn't the Enterprise, and if it has been more or less an open secret that Cumberbatch is, in fact, Khan, that just adds insult to injury.

If they had used a ship design completely different from the Enterprise (like, for example, TWOKs Reliant was deliberately made to look different from a refit Connie), then they probably wouldn't have added the crash scene to any of the trailers - because it would (a) have given away the fact that and how the villain ship got destroyed, and (b) not have led to speculation about a TSFS-like destruction of the Enterprise.

What it boils down to is the fact that they were able to use that scene in a trailer because the ships just happened to look alike - or because they were designed to be misleading in the first place. And that I consider a cheap trick.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:07 PM   #18
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Above comment in reply to Phily B.

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Well that's the fault of the trailer, not the movie. They obviously didn't write their major SFX set pieces with creating a misleading trailer in mind.
I'm really not so sure about that.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:14 PM   #19
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Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

Lots of Starfleet ships look similar and I'm sure that you could make 'The Reliant' look like the Enterprise if it were knocking down a building.

I never thought the ship crashing into buildings in the trailer was the Enterprise however. Don't know why, just didn't think it looked like the Enterprise or that the Enterprise would go down that way, or something.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:59 PM   #20
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Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

The whole Enterprise in the trailers/posters things, for some reason I never thought that was Enterprise. I just assumed it was some other ship. It's not uncommon to have Starfleet vessels very similar so thought it was just trickery.

I was annoyed that London was in flames in the posters, yet clearly wasn't in the movie. Aside from that little bomb thing. Because that was a lie - the Gherkin was never on fire.

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But the main reason why I felt dejected was because at the end when the Enterprise embarked on her five year mission...I really want to see that five year mission! Two hours every three years isn't enough.
Yeah, that's part of the feeling... had two hours of recycled stuff, but I want new stuff. I loved the cast - it's a shame there can never be a TV series with them, as I'd love to just watch them slow the place and go explore and do Trek things. The movies make space feel BIG - and Kronos was a blast for me because even though it was arguably recycling I wanted to see what it looked like with budget.

I loved the opening intro sequence with the alien civilisation, as it just felt different and fresh too.

That's something I can't really fault the movie with, making me want more Trek... but it is playing into my emotions.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:12 PM   #21
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Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

I was expecting London to be obliterated, nothing but ruins and scorched earth as we saw on the poster. Instead we get a building blown up and what, 44 people? died.

I was expecting the whole WORLD threatened, you think your world is safe? It is an illusion. We didn't even get that line much less any reality.

I was expecting "love will be challenged", instead we got a spat.

I was expecting "friendships will be torn apart", instead we got Scotty having a moral qualm.

There was a lot of bullshit in the hype
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Old May 10 2013, 03:18 PM   #22
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You mean the marketing greatly exaggerated?
This has surely never happened before.

And I too am shocked about the poster thing. I felt that way with TMP when I didn't see giant heads floating in space, inside a rainbow like the poster showed.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:20 PM   #23
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And I too am shocked about the poster thing. I felt that way with TMP when I didn't see giant heads floating in space, inside a rainbow like the poster showed.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:21 PM   #24
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I was expecting London to be obliterated, nothing but ruins and scorched earth as we saw on the poster. Instead we get a building blown up and what, 44 people? died.

I was expecting the whole WORLD threatened, you think your world is safe? It is an illusion. We didn't even get that line much less any reality.

I was expecting "love will be challenged", instead we got a spat.

I was expecting "friendships will be torn apart", instead we got Scotty having a moral qualm.

There was a lot of bullshit in the hype
I posted something similar in the big spoiler thread. I guess the lack of any the stuff you've quoted above is what's making me feel so disappointed. Pretty much everything we had been promised didn't happen. Where was the Darkness in this movie? I had really hoped for some dramatic things to happen, like one of the crew turning bad or something. But I guess they just don't have the balls to do something like that.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:23 PM   #25
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Anyone got a guess on how many were killed when the ship crashed into San Francisco? Buildings toppling like dominos. Based on the earlier attack on the conference room, there's no "emergency beamout" facility even for a dozen of starfleet's "top brass", let alone thousands of people in apartments and offices. This is a far more devastating blow to Starfleet than the destruction of a few ships around Vulcan.
That's what I asked myself. There must have been thousands if not tens of thousends of victims there! But no one seems to worry.
Yeah, they should have had a memorial scene at the end or something

IIRC they skipped six months until Kirk was revived, and when he gave his speech it was one year since the Vengeance had crashed.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:31 PM   #26
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I was expecting London to be obliterated, nothing but ruins and scorched earth as we saw on the poster. Instead we get a building blown up and what, 44 people? died.
42. I was disappointed it wasn't 47. I was disappointed it wasn't 47,000 though (which is probably the number in San Francisco)

When I saw that the "royal children's hospital" was out in the shires, I was expecting a Dr-Who style obliteration of London.

There was a lot of bullshit in the hype
There always is. Welcome to the 21st century.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:37 PM   #27
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Re: Feeling dejected *spoilers*

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And I too am shocked about the poster thing. I felt that way with TMP when I didn't see giant heads floating in space, inside a rainbow like the poster showed.
Trumbull ran out of time.
That is such an inside baseball reference. Almost everyone under 50 is going, "What?"
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Old May 10 2013, 03:37 PM   #28
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directors cut of into darkness

I just had i wonderful idea. After hearing how many people included myself are happy with the film but all dislike the engine room scene. Would it be possible they could edit it so
That would at least for me make it a much better movie.

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Old May 10 2013, 03:40 PM   #29
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As rushed as the film felt, I think it would need an extended cut!
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Old May 10 2013, 03:40 PM   #30
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That's what fan edits are for.
You now know what to do when you get your hands on the dvd/blu-ray.
Get to it.
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