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Old May 10 2013, 06:55 AM   #1
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Spock's line *Major Major Spoilers*

For me, that was one step too far.

Everything up till that point was right on the line of acceptability for a Star Trek movie. I am happy to let everything else go. The gaps in logic, playing loose with trek canon and treknology. Its the big, summer, blockbuster version of Star Trek. As long as it's a great ride I'm not going to be too hard on it.

Even the scene itself - I don't mind the idea of riffing on the original scene but to copy it word for word? Its hard to feel emotionally involved in a scene while at the same time replaying wrath of khan in your head.

And then, "the line".

About 3 months ago I went to a screening of Wrath of Khan and whilst it was a friendly croud, there were plenty of people who I'm not sure were Star Trek fans laughing ironically during Kirk's "Khaaaaaaan!". Laughing. Laughing out loud.

This may happen again. Only this time, it might be us.

I honestly didn't know whether to laugh or cry. They took a risk, and for me it was too much. I enjoyed the film. I liked a lot of it, but the final third and this scene in particular left me cold.

Sorry JJ.

This was a mistake.
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Old May 10 2013, 07:25 AM   #2
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Re: Spocks line *Major Major Spoilers*

I don't really have any feelings positive or negative towards it. On one side, it can be seen as cheesy, on the other it's a good little nod to how things are playing out similarly but different, like with Mudd's shuttle (it wasn't destroyed).

I think some emotional outburst was needed by Spock -- he's been having a terrible time in the past two films.

I can see why it'd be disliked, of course.
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Old May 10 2013, 07:30 AM   #3
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Re: Spocks line *Major Major Spoilers*

As I said in the review thread, when I heard him yell Khaaaaan the thought running through my mind was "I want to slap JJ in the face".
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Old May 10 2013, 08:15 AM   #4
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Re: Spocks line *Major Major Spoilers*

teacake wrote: View Post
As I said in the review thread, when I heard him yell Khaaaaan the thought running through my mind was "I want to slap JJ in the face".
Was it meant to be a nod to us?

It felt like they were taking the p*ss (which they surely cannot have intended)

They must have known it would be a risk. I'm not sure we are at "These are the Voyages" levels but I don't think we are far off.

Maybe when I watch it a second time it will improve.
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Old May 10 2013, 08:38 AM   #5
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teacake wrote: View Post
As I said in the review thread, when I heard him yell Khaaaaan the thought running through my mind was "I want to slap JJ in the face".
I thought it was a bit too far, but lets not over-state it, the TWOK references stopped there, and they only went a bit OTT.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:36 AM   #6
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The scene had already lost me completely; that moment was just the topper. Really, having gone that far, it had to end that way.
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Old May 10 2013, 09:42 AM   #7
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can you all please stop being so ambiguous and explain what you are talking about?

Spock yells Khan?
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Old May 10 2013, 09:50 AM   #8
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Spock yells Khan?
Exactly. In the most unintentionally laughable way imaginable! I loathed that moment. First they re-enact more or less the whole last section from TWOK (only a trillion times cheaper, since there's no doubt in the viewer's mind that Kirk will be saved by Khan's blood anyway), and then they top it off with Spock yelling Khaaaaaaaaan!!!

Boy, what were they thinking? That's even more ridiculous than Picard driving a dune buggy.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:11 AM   #9
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It was unbelievably awful, and took me right out of the film. I couldn't believe they did something so stupid.

Had Spock gone ice cold and not said a word, walked to the transporter and turned into a ragemonster when he got face-to-face with Khan, it would have been fucking brilliant. Instead they went into bad fanfic/parody mode

Spock could even have yelled "KHAAAAN!" as he fled, as a "come back here and fight me you coward" -type thing. That would have worked too.
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Old May 10 2013, 10:39 AM   #10
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I also didn't like the way it was executed. It was too fast to have an actual impact ... and Quinto is no Shatner ...
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Re: Spocks line *Major Major Spoilers*

In and of itself I didn't mind the yell, because it works quite well in the context, but the fact that it came after that scene was just too much.
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Old May 10 2013, 11:02 AM   #12
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As I have just written in the big spoiler thread, I really hope they are done with the TWOK references once and for all! Another "needs of the many" or "always shall be your friend" speech, and I'm gonna throw my pocorn at the screen!
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Old May 10 2013, 12:19 PM   #13
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I thought the bit that was a shame is that STID (I think you can get a cream for that) is a very good film in its own right, it didn't need to refer so much back to a very good trek film from 30 years ago.

That said, nostalgia is a big part of a lot of the Hollywood reboot craze, it was all kind of inevitable, like the weird cameos at the end of 21 Jump Street, for example.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:20 PM   #14
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Why would Spock do that? He didn't yell when Nero killed his moms.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:24 PM   #15
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Re: Spocks line *Major Major Spoilers*

I'll admit that I laughed.

This thing is that I was really affected by Kirk's death scene, even though it was obvious he was gonna be revived by Khan's magic blood. It was very well played between Pine and Quinto and Giacchino's score is very affecting. So when KHAAAAAAAAAN! happened it was... cognitive dissonance.

I still liked the movie a lot though.
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