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Old April 30 2013, 08:37 PM   #61
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Re: 10 Things a New Trek Series Must Have

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but if what you all say is anywhere true (and it might be)...WTF did CBS buy Star Trek for in the first place. (leaves me scratching my head)
They didn't buy it, it was given to them when CBS and Viacom split up in 2006 and divided Paramount between them. CBS got the television division (which included ownership of Trek), while Viacom retained the movie division.

As the owner of Trek, CBS is well within their rights to use the property in whatever manner they see fit, including their present manner as something they can license out to others (such as Paramount) and make money that way without having to invest millions into a new TV series.
Sounds good... (part of the deal I guess) However, they must see something in the franchise worth hanging on to. I wonder if anybody has offered to buy the "rights" to Star Trek from them?
I doubt CBS would sell Trek to anyone else. If they did, they'd probably ask a very ridiculous sum for it to offset any potential future profits they could have if they kept it. I think the only company with that kind of deep pockets is Disney, but I think they went with something else recently...
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Old April 30 2013, 10:20 PM   #62
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but if what you all say is anywhere true (and it might be)...WTF did CBS buy Star Trek for in the first place. (leaves me scratching my head)
They didn't buy it, it was given to them when CBS and Viacom split up in 2006 and divided Paramount between them. CBS got the television division (which included ownership of Trek), while Viacom retained the movie division.

As the owner of Trek, CBS is well within their rights to use the property in whatever manner they see fit, including their present manner as something they can license out to others (such as Paramount) and make money that way without having to invest millions into a new TV series.
Sounds good... (part of the deal I guess) However, they must see something in the franchise worth hanging on to. I wonder if anybody has offered to buy the "rights" to Star Trek from them?

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Yes, they get merchandising licensing. They get the licensing fees netflix and cable companies pay for the old shows. They get the profits from the book division. They get a cut of the movie profit(with Paramount footing all the risk). That is all profit with no costs. Then they get the profit from the remastering efforts of TNG and possibly other shows.

Star Trek is doing very well for CBS given that it's costing them close to 0. And selling Star Trek is incredibly risky. If you sell and the new studio has a hit, then you look like an idiot for selling. If you sell and Star Trek is a flop, well then you did your job. If you're an executive at CBS, would you want to take that risk with your career? Or would you prefer to keep Star Trek in your archive and collect all the licensing revenue?
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Old May 1 2013, 04:41 PM   #63
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Yeah, you guys are most likely correct. But it's beyond me to have a great show like Star Trek (pick your favorite incarnation) and then to just sit on it... Resting on one's laurels sort of thing. Star Trek is a proven money maker, (different amounts at different times to be sure) but always producing a profit of some sort...I'm not a risk adverse type, so my career at CBS would tank...rather quickly! Thanks for the info!

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Old May 9 2013, 10:27 PM   #64
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I think what is going to be a big factor if a new series will happen is how well "Star Trek into Darkness" does in theaters. From the previews, critic reviews, and from what has leaked online, I would not be surprised in exceeds $300 million. Home video sales are usually considered irrelevant by the studio.

Now about Greenscreen / Virtual sets vs Real Sets. They probably will build real sets for the ship because that will just be a one time investment. Paramount still has a lot of set pieces from prior Star Trek shows in storage that can be re-assembled and re-dressed to look like a brand new series. That would be cheaper and faster for the scenes that take place on the ship. Plus its more believable when you see the actors touching the controls. When an Away-Team beams down to a planet or another ship, most likely Green/Blue Screen be used or be combined with real sets / on location shooting. All depending on the story.

Its a no brainer that all the external space ship shots be CGI unless they bring in an old fashion minded executive producer that wants to use models. However, even some of the modern Science Fiction productions use combinations of CGI, models, real footage of explosions, etc. Sometimes its easier to just go somewhere with a camera and film it.

As for what the Star Trek series needs. All 5 live action shows had a strong Captain at the center of everything. It needs a good, strong, charismatic, actor/actress to make it work. The first officer also has to be at near the level of the Captain, some may argue one of the reasons why Star Trek Voyager falling behind because Chakotay did not live up to Spock, Riker, or Kira.
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Old May 11 2013, 12:11 PM   #65
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I think what is going to be a big factor if a new series will happen is how well "Star Trek into Darkness" does in theaters. From the previews, critic reviews, and from what has leaked online, I would not be surprised in exceeds $300 million. Home video sales are usually considered irrelevant by the studio.
I think Paramount will be hoping for at least US$450-500m, saying the 2009 film did US$385.7m at the box office
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Old May 11 2013, 01:52 PM   #66
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Home video sales are usually considered irrelevant by the studio.
Don't you believe that. Home video sales are considered extremely important by the studio. Some blockbuster films (like Star Trek XI) can make over $100 million there alone, so it's no means irrelevant.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2009/TRK11-DVD.php
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Old May 11 2013, 02:26 PM   #67
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Those figures might be only the US sales, if they are you've got to factor into a few million more from other territories.
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Old May 11 2013, 03:36 PM   #68
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Yeah, those figures are domestic only, so its overall home video take is a nice chunk of change.
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Old May 12 2013, 08:06 PM   #69
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(Full disclosure: I wrote this article and posted the link here in hopes of getting critiques on it).
My only critique is that you did a fantastic job in enumerating the problems.
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Old May 13 2013, 01:15 AM   #70
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I would like to see a new Star Trek series with lots more non-humanoid aliens like the Daleks of Dr. Who or the Cylons of Battlestar Galactica of old.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:20 AM   #71
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CBS does not own the rights to make new Star Trek. It only have the rights to pre-made episodes of Star Trek. Paramount is the one who makes the decisions on any new Star Trek. If it's for movies or for TV.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:36 AM   #72
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No. CBS (essentially, the corporate entity formerly known as Paramount Television) controls the rights to the franchise. The have licensed the movie rights to Paramount for the time being.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:43 AM   #73
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In addition to everything mentioned in the article (which pretty much makes sense for any quality television), I really, reeeeally hope that they either build upon the developments of the post-TNG/DS9 novels, or at least try very hard not to run roughshod over that part of Trek lore whenever they create a new television series. That, to me, has been the most well-developed and entertaining part of the mythology in the past decade, and though it is not counted as canon I would be sad to see it thrown away.
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Old May 13 2013, 07:00 AM   #74
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Though it might be nice, I wouldn't expect too many novels to be a major contribution to new plots. Any writers for a new series will not want to be encumbered by the canon of everything that happened in the 24th century. The only ways to avoid that is to either set it in a new universe or set it much farther in the future.

I hope it's the latter as Star Trek is supposed to be about going where no one has gone before.
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Old May 13 2013, 07:38 AM   #75
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The OP's list is ten things that are necessary, but not sufficient, naturally.

I'll focus on my biggest gripe:
"Of all the 24th century Star Trek shows, Deep Space 9 has aged the best as a series because of its use of serialization and continuity."
That is a patently false statement. DS9 has not aged the best of the 24th century shows. Over half of it is completely unwatchable; I've tried, and recently. Anything good brought to the table by serialization and continuity is drowned out by the same sort of self-impressed navel gazing that caused TNG to run out of steam and that dragged down all post-TNG series.

If anything, of the 24th century shows, TNG has aged best, because it has the benefit of possessing seasons 3-5, before the tropes ultimately typical of all post-TOS Trek had calcified, plus the highlights of seasons 6 and 7.

Additionally, regardless of whether you agree with what I've said so far, because clearly you don't, you should recognize that the statement I've quoted is in fact a contentious statement. Furthermore, regardless of the reasons, whether it was franchise fatigue, self-defeating syndication practices, or whatever, general audiences watched more TNG than DS9. If there's any recent trend in rerun viewing that indicates that the present day market has changed its mind about which to watch more, I'm not aware of it.

Those two facts, the contentiousness and the ratings reality, should serve as primary indicators that you undermine your case that a new Trek series must have some form of serialization by extolling DS9, in particular above TNG. This fact:
"Now serialization is seen as a requirement by TV audiences, which means that question must be asked – what kind of serialization?"
is really the only one that matters. It certainly matters more than going back to the well that, like it or not, ran dry.
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