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View Poll Results: Rate The Weight of Worlds.
Outstanding 8 19.51%
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Old May 7 2013, 05:05 PM   #76
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I believe it has been established that JTK has only one nephew. If I'm wrong, I'll be sure to hear about it.
That's ambiguous. "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" stated that George Samuel "Sam" Kirk had three sons. "Operation -- Annihilate!" later claimed that Peter Kirk was Captain Kirk's only surviving relative. Some fans have resolved the contradiction by assuming the other two nephews died sometime in the few months between those episodes, or that they died in the parasite attack but somehow went unmentioned. But several previous tie-ins have ignored the line from OA and depicted Kirk's three nephews. Bottom line, it's a continuity error and there's no consensus on how to resolve it.
Um, first off, wrong, because the novels are not canon. so they died somehow.

I like the irony in the statement 'Only siths speak in absolutes'
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Old May 8 2013, 03:09 AM   #77
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So? That doesn't mean the novels can't work out a way to work out the inconsistency. That's half the fun of the novels, using them as a way to work out these kinds of issues. I really couldn't give two craps about canonacity, I just want a good story.
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Old May 8 2013, 02:58 PM   #78
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I really couldn't give two craps about canonacity, I just want a good story.
Me, too.
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Old May 8 2013, 05:35 PM   #79
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My thoughts are now up at:
http://trekbook.blogspot.com/2013/01...of-worlds.html
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Old May 8 2013, 06:00 PM   #80
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So? That doesn't mean the novels can't work out a way to work out the inconsistency. That's half the fun of the novels, using them as a way to work out these kinds of issues. I really couldn't give two craps about canonacity, I just want a good story.
It's not an inconsistancy. Doesn't matter if you give two craps about canonicity. The books aren't it.
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Old May 9 2013, 12:34 AM   #81
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But it is the kind of issue that the books are perfect for explaining away. And canonacity really has nothing to do with it.
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Old May 9 2013, 05:09 PM   #82
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The consistancy and continuity of the novels are not canon but suggesting that TOS was inconsistant in this case was not accurate, er, flat out wrong, which is what I was commenting on in this case.

Changing the intent of TOS is dangerous even when it's in conflict with itself. The writers job should be to make TOS jibe with their own work, not the other way around. Their job is to defend and do justice to Canon, not reinterpret it or change it and declare it in error. The game master is never wrong.
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Old May 9 2013, 05:14 PM   #83
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You know, I puckishly considered having the Crusaders worship a sacred text known as the Canon, but decided that might be biting the hand that feeds me . . .
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Old May 9 2013, 05:20 PM   #84
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You know, I puckishly considered having the Crusaders worship a sacred text known as the Canon, but decided that might be biting the hand that feeds me . . .
I know people throw around the phrase "LOL" far too haphazardly these days, but I literally laughed out loud at that one.
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Old May 9 2013, 05:39 PM   #85
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You know, I puckishly considered having the Crusaders worship a sacred text known as the Canon, but decided that might be biting the hand that feeds me . . .
I know people throw around the phrase "LOL" far too haphazardly these days, but I literally laughed out loud at that one.
Agreed! LOL

I do like that Trek fans, on a whole are much more flexible on canon than Star Wars fans.

On the religious issues in the book Greg, I am a religious person, and I was not offended at all. Conversion by the sword is never the answer because it is not true. Any time, any religion tried to do that, it has lost it's way (I say that as a Christian and take into account all the times "Christians" have been guilty of such heresy.) Religious extremism is always dangerous
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Old May 9 2013, 06:44 PM   #86
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Greg you should have done that, or maybe call it Cannon
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Old May 10 2013, 02:32 AM   #87
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The consistancy and continuity of the novels are not canon but suggesting that TOS was inconsistant in this case was not accurate, er, flat out wrong, which is what I was commenting on in this case.
I understand what you're saying, but even if it isn't an "inconsistency" it's still a gap that is perfect for the novels to fill it.
From what's been said it sounds like Kirk went from having three nephews to only one between episodes, so it's perfectly reasonable for the novels to explain what happened to the two who weren't around anymore.
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Old May 11 2013, 02:32 AM   #88
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The consistancy of canon is not open to debate. It is up to the writers to uphold the continuity of TOS even if they they have to stand on their head to do so or why not avoid the inherant conflict to begin with. just because the writer can't explain it doesn't mean that there is no explaination or it is or has to be an inconsistancy and therefore feel the need to correct TOS in any way or unless you feel a need to touch up the mona Lisa, I say get your own universe and leave TOS alone.
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Old May 11 2013, 02:50 AM   #89
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Gaaaaaaahhhh! I already agreed it wasn't an inconsistency, all I'm saying now is it's the perfect example of the kind of things the books are good at explaining away. It doesn't have to be explained and could be ignored, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an unexplained change, and one of the things the books have done a lot over the years is explain those kinds of things.
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Old May 11 2013, 03:18 AM   #90
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The authors should have better things to do than contradict TOS. The concensus is that Star Trek is written by authors and not that authors are writing Star Trek as if they created the thing.
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