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Old May 8 2013, 05:51 PM   #196
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Not even to fit, necessarily, but also to pay for them. (The BOBW features weren't created until after the separate disc release existed, per interviews on... TrekCore?... with the people behind the new special features.)
Precisely. We'd never have a 30 MINUTE retrospect from BOBW, a dedicated Gag Reel or an Audio Commentary if the single-disc wasn't commissioned. It gave the team a new budget to work with to CREATE new VAM.

Plus - it's a wonderful introduction for people who haven't seen the season sets or can't afford them yet.
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Old May 8 2013, 09:47 PM   #197
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For those who went to the BOBW theater event, do the blu-ray extras really cover that much more ground? Because I went to that, and feel like I saw most of the documentary and gag reel already...
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Old May 8 2013, 10:44 PM   #198
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Not even to fit, necessarily, but also to pay for them. (The BOBW features weren't created until after the separate disc release existed, per interviews on... TrekCore?... with the people behind the new special features.)
Precisely. We'd never have a 30 MINUTE retrospect from BOBW, a dedicated Gag Reel or an Audio Commentary if the single-disc wasn't commissioned. It gave the team a new budget to work with to CREATE new VAM.

Plus - it's a wonderful introduction for people who haven't seen the season sets or can't afford them yet.
But I thought the season sets were suppose to be the definitive sets? I can't believe they were going to do them without material about the episodes considered to be TNG's defining moment.

I mean, it's ludicrous that they were planning to do a commentary track for Booby Trap but not for The Best of Both Worlds. I have no proof, but I imagine many of those features would've been on the seasons three/four set if not for the idea to squeeze Trek fans for a little bit more.

Went to Wal-Mart today and there were no season three sets and six copies of BOBW. I talked to the associate and he said the only copy he had sold so far was the one he sold to me last week...
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Old May 8 2013, 11:02 PM   #199
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If the single-disc wasn't commissioned, then a lot of the existing S3 material would have been cut out to fit in stuff regarding BOBW. It's not one or the other, it would have been less of both. Doing the separate disc gives us the most possible material to view.

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Old May 8 2013, 11:19 PM   #200
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If the single-disc wasn't commissioned, then a lot of the existing S3 material would have been cut out to fit in stuff regarding BOBW. It's not one or the other, it would have been less of both. Doing the separate disc gives us the most possible material to view.

Not everything is a grand conspiracy to empty your wallet.
But splitting the cost/space requirement across two seasons would meant that much of it still could have been done. I mean, would've anyone been heart-broken if we had got a The Best of Both Worlds I commentary track instead of one for The Bonding?
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Old May 9 2013, 12:04 AM   #201
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Yes, and that would have meant less of both the existing (and forthcoming) Season 3 AND Season 4 material. It's now obvious that the theme of S4 will be the growing Klingon storyline (as S3 focused on the Borg, etc.), and that would have diluted both seasons' thematic value.

Anyway, they didn't want to split the commentary between two episodes, so it's a moot point anyway. I mean, how many times did we all see people saying that the didn't want to pay for the full sets, but they'd gladly buy a copy of BOBW if it was released on its own? This is CBS offering a product that the consumers have literally been asking for.
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Old May 9 2013, 12:25 AM   #202
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Yes, and that would have meant less of both the existing (and forthcoming) Season 3 AND Season 4 material. It's now obvious that the theme of S4 will be the growing Klingon storyline (as S3 focused on the Borg, etc.), and that would have diluted both seasons' thematic value.

Anyway, they didn't want to split the commentary between two episodes, so it's a moot point anyway. I mean, how many times did we all see people saying that the didn't want to pay for the full sets, but they'd gladly buy a copy of BOBW if it was released on its own? This is CBS offering a product that the consumers have literally been asking for.
But if your a fan who will actually buy the season sets, you're forced to buy a separate disc for features that should've honestly came with the season sets if you want them. I'm sorry, but The Best of Both Worlds special features being shunted to an additional disc have left a far worse taste in my mouth than the season two debacle. It should really leave a bad taste in the mouth of all Trekkies. It feels like we got a half-completed video game and told if we want the rest we'll have to buy the DLC (which I've seen happen).
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Old May 9 2013, 12:44 AM   #203
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I would rather have the additional content exist in a separate disc, than have that additional content not exist, which is what would have been the alternative. That's how I feel about it.
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Old May 9 2013, 12:57 AM   #204
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But if your a fan who will actually buy the season sets, you're forced to buy a separate disc for features that should've honestly came with the season sets if you want them.
Which would have raised the price of the S3 set by about the same price the separate disc cost during release week. In my case, Best Buy matched the Target prices, gave me $5 extra off and I was able to use $10 in rewards points that I had accumulated for free by just voting in their silly facebook polls.

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I'm sorry, but The Best of Both Worlds special features being shunted to an additional disc have left a far worse taste in my mouth than the season two debacle. It should really leave a bad taste in the mouth of all Trekkies.
If you were a Trekkie that was paying attention to all the deals that were available (by frequenting Blu-ray.com) then you would have essentially gotten the BOBW disc for free. You should follow this example for the next round of discs in July.
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Old May 9 2013, 01:08 AM   #205
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If you were a Trekkie that was paying attention to all the deals that were available (by frequenting Blu-ray.com) then you would have essentially gotten the BOBW disc for free. You should follow this example for the next round of discs in July.
I essentially only paid five bucks for it when Wal-Mart matched the Target deal and I gave the disc to my daughter so all wasn't lost. But, if this is designed to lure in casual buyers they shouldn't penalize the people who are there buying the regular season sets by forcing them to buy an additional disc to get "everything" (or at least until the inevitable re-release that they'll do in which they find the room in the set proper for the BOBW extras and list that as a feature).

The double-dips I've done over the years don't bother me, but this does.
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Old May 9 2013, 01:30 AM   #206
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they shouldn't penalize the people who are there buying the regular season sets by forcing them to buy an additional disc to get "everything"
Again, as Maxwell Everett posted, you would have paid more for Season 3 if that additional disc had been included in the season set. So it doesn't matter if it was included or not.

Besides, every little bit counts for funding the future series' remastering efforts.
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Old May 9 2013, 02:00 AM   #207
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I'd happily pay a little extra to have the extra VAM included on the season sets, which, again, are being marketed as some sort of 'definitive' release.
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Old May 9 2013, 02:35 AM   #208
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I essentially only paid five bucks for it when Wal-Mart matched the Target deal and I gave the disc to my daughter so all wasn't lost. But, if this is designed to lure in casual buyers they shouldn't penalize the people who are there buying the regular season sets by forcing them to buy an additional disc to get "everything" (or at least until the inevitable re-release that they'll do in which they find the room in the set proper for the BOBW extras and list that as a feature).

The double-dips I've done over the years don't bother me, but this does.
Ok, just so I'm clear... you're upset you paid five extra bucks for a disc you eventually gave to your daughter? In the grand scheme of things then, how much does it REALLY bother you -- scale of one to ten on the list of worst double-dips ever?

Further, what if someone told you (hypothetically) that selling these standalone discs (BOBW, Redemption, possibly Unification, Chain of Command, etc.) more or less helped bankroll and greenlight a full HD DS9, all seven seasons (even the CG VFX) filled to the brim with all new VAM... and that a similar tactic with DS9 helped bankroll VOY. Would that change your opinion?

Consider what's going on with The X-Files over at 20th Century Fox right now. HD Conform by HTV, all VFX shots upconverted from D1 tape -- including shots with live action elements.
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Old May 9 2013, 02:37 AM   #209
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I'd happily pay a little extra to have the extra VAM included on the season sets, which, again, are being marketed as some sort of 'definitive' release.
Just as an aside, seven-disc Blu-ray cases are notoriously fragile. The TOS S1 / S2 cases crack so easily.
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Old May 9 2013, 03:11 AM   #210
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Consider what's going on with The X-Files over at 20th Century Fox right now. HD Conform by HTV, all VFX shots upconverted from D1 tape -- including shots with live action elements.
I feel like I've just been punched in the gut reading that......
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