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Old April 8 2013, 11:43 PM   #76
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...and Briggs is doing the Ice Warrior voices and recorded those only last week!
But nearly as insane as this!
Contracting that late? Yes, that would be. But I don't think that it's insane to record that late. It's certainly cutting things close to the wire, but they would have been able to cut and do most of the mix with whatever temp voice track they have in place. (Presumably from the actors on set? I can't find a good picture of the costumes, but it looks like they have normal humanoid mouths. It certainly doesn't look like the Daleks or Cybusmen where you need things flashing in time to Briggs' voice...)
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Old April 14 2013, 03:21 AM   #77
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Damn, that's a shame. I always knew it was a long shot but alas.

I'm still hoping Paul McGann will show up...
I think McGann is most deserving considering he only got one onscreen turn despite the irony of the implication that his Doctor's incarnation is the second-longest (behind that of Hartnell's). Oops ... that would be tied with McCoy's incarnation for second.*

For awhile there (but for no reason at all) I had hoped that the success of Doctor Who's return in 2005 would have led to a McGann mini-series or a concurrant series to tell the tale of the Great Time War. Sadly, never happened.

* = Correction: Sorry for my bad math ... McCoy would have been 1987 to 1996 = 9years and McGann would be 1996 - 2005 (implied) = 9 years.
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Old April 14 2013, 04:38 AM   #78
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I've watched the show since 2005 but I'm not up on how much the BBC puts out false leads, red herrings, etc. Have they done it in the past? So I'd have to guess this is true.

It certainly stands to reason for this to be true. If Eccelston was participating, they would have announced it at the same time as they did Tennant and Piper. And of course he always said he didn't want to come back. I'm disappointed because I wanted to see him again. I won't say he owes the fans anything but would it have really been that much of a pain for him to be involved in this? To show up, get paid, have some fun being The Doctor again and make people happy?

The fact that he took multiple meetings with Moffat at least means that he was open to it.
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Old April 14 2013, 11:46 PM   #79
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I've watched the show since 2005 but I'm not up on how much the BBC puts out false leads, red herrings, etc. Have they done it in the past? So I'd have to guess this is true.
BBC actually has a poilcy of do not lie to the audience. It has in the past forced them to reveal things about Doctor Who that would in fact result in spoilers (like Eccleston's departure, for example).
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Old April 15 2013, 12:41 AM   #80
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I've watched the show since 2005 but I'm not up on how much the BBC puts out false leads, red herrings, etc. Have they done it in the past? So I'd have to guess this is true.
BBC actually has a poilcy of do not lie to the audience. It has in the past forced them to reveal things about Doctor Who that would in fact result in spoilers (like Eccleston's departure, for example).
I guess that "policy" of not lying is why they lied in their initial release about him leaving...
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Old April 15 2013, 01:01 AM   #81
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Re: Eccleston turned down chance to be in 50th Anniversary story

Which was a big deal precisely because the BBC is indeed not allowed to lie in public statements. Note, however, that this claim about Eccleston and Moffat is not from a BBC spokesperson in an institutional context, but from an "official source," i.e., whoever has been delegated to deliver the current PR line to Digital Spy. (An official spokesperson certainly wouldn't have called them "Chris" and "Steven.") That doesn't mean it's not true, but it's also not quite as authoritative as some people have assumed.
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Old May 8 2013, 11:59 PM   #82
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I think I know why the classic doctors weren't included: Their age. If it was an adventure show (like the 20th anniversary show--with Baker in his velvety-smooth pimp hat lol) the writers would have to explain why the classic actors look so much older. That said, as an American viewer, I have no idea what has been planned. Baker and Davidson would still would be fun to watch, though.
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Old May 9 2013, 12:21 AM   #83
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Also, 1080p (with 3D this time) cameras are much less forgiving of age than the videotape technology sued during the previous reunions. We could have accepted Troughton's more-craggy face or Pertwee's increasingly poofy hair, but there's NO WAY anyone would accept any of the classic Doctors in a realistic context (save McGann - that guy is the most recent, and apparently the man just doesn't age). Even the explanation in Time Crash only got us so far, and my own desire to see the older guys in action again is weighed against the practical needs of seeing a story that makes thematic and contextual sense.

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Old May 9 2013, 01:06 AM   #84
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Moffat loves the mindfuck timey wimey wibbly wobbly paradoxy stuff. I'm sure he could come up with a way to explain the presence of the previous Doctors and their aged appearance if he was so inclined. I think a lot of us would be prepared to meet him half way were he to try.
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Old May 9 2013, 01:40 AM   #85
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Also, 1080p (with 3D this time) cameras are much less forgiving of age than the videotape technology sued during the previous reunions. We could have accepted Troughton's more-craggy face or Pertwee's increasingly poofy hair, but there's NO WAY anyone would accept any of the classic Doctors in a realistic context (save McGann - that guy is the most recent, and apparently the man just doesn't age). Even the explanation in Time Crash only got us so far, and my own desire to see the older guys in action again is weighed against the practical needs of seeing a story that makes thematic and contextual sense.

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Time Crash supplies a total solution.

Also, it's not just McGann who doesn't look much older. Davison and McCoy both look close enough.

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Old May 9 2013, 01:46 AM   #86
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McCoy could easily reprise his role.
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Old May 9 2013, 03:12 AM   #87
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I am bitterly disappointed, and I hope Nine is at least mentioned, even in passing:

ELEVEN: I summoned two of you! Two of me. And there's just you.
TEN: Welll, the other one? Doesn't play well with others.
Chooses well who he plays with. If it goes wwweuouolllll it could end up being the final push into being a cool post-modern study of ageism.

Would have been nice to have the following discussion though:

NINE: Where are the others?
TEN: We can't, just, can't.
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Old May 9 2013, 06:39 PM   #88
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I think I know why the classic doctors weren't included: Their age. If it was an adventure show (like the 20th anniversary show--with Baker in his velvety-smooth pimp hat lol) the writers would have to explain why the classic actors look so much older. That said, as an American viewer, I have no idea what has been planned. Baker and Davidson would still would be fun to watch, though.
And that's why I don't want most classic doctors involved. But McGann is still just about in his prime. It was only the mid nineties when he was the doctor, and I think he's aged well. If they had Troughton with grey hair in the two doctors, then why not McGann with just like a few bags under his eyes and a couple of lines if that.

I think McCoy is still useable too. Yes he's aged since 1989, but remember that he aged quite lot in the 96 film, and I think since then he's not aged too much.

Baker, Davison, and C. baker have aged too much since their last appearance though, especially Colin. He's aged terribly. Tom's not aged too badly considering he even began to age by the end of his tenure as the doctor, if only he just lost his weight and put on a curly wig, he'd be good enough for the role. But I can't see that happening. Davison's not aged too badly, but because he was so young when he was the doctor, in comparison he's too far gone.

But really at the end of the day although I'm very happy to see David come back, I'd be so much more than happy to see Smith, Tennant, McGann, and McCoy team up for a "The Four Doctors" special. I've come to terms Eccleston will never respire the role.
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Old May 9 2013, 07:58 PM   #89
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^ I'm glad you're so focused on the most important aspects of the character in your extensive analysis!
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Old May 9 2013, 08:28 PM   #90
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the writers would have to explain why the classic actors look so much older.
Why would they have to explain anything? Viewers really don't care about pointless crap like that. They just want to be entertained by a good story and interesting characters.
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