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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grsde "The Crimson Horror"
Geronimo! 52 43.70%
Good 40 33.61%
Average 16 13.45%
Bad 8 6.72%
…You just cannot see it 3 2.52%
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Old May 7 2013, 08:46 PM   #196
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Re: 7X11 The Crimson Horror(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS

I thought they were just working off the ideas like Bourneville and Garden Village and the like, lots of philanthropic business owners created villages for their workers with decent living standards near their factories.
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Old May 7 2013, 08:50 PM   #197
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Horrible episode! I don't want to say that but it was bad. I can't stand most Victorian times stories and besides that the story was bad. I tune into Who remembering some ripping stories, can't always win, much like Trek. I hold in my heart hope for the next time, as always. I'll always be back for more! This Doctor has even grown on me despite me not wanting him to in the begining.
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Old May 7 2013, 09:59 PM   #198
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I thought they were just working off the ideas like Bourneville and Garden Village and the like, lots of philanthropic business owners created villages for their workers with decent living standards near their factories.
That's what Owen did in New Lanark, healthcare, education, entertainment all in the village for the workers and families.

New Harmony was to be a utopia peopled by recruits.

Madness of course but interesting.
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Old May 8 2013, 05:26 AM   #199
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That line about the "wrong hands" may be the best thing about this episode.
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Old May 8 2013, 01:34 PM   #200
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^^It definitely was.

The discussion in Slate's Who blog noted that there was quite a bit of regional humor in this episode, playing off the typical Londoner's sterotypes of the North, and wondered how much of that was lost on the US audience. [A parallel to the North/South tensions in US culture is obvious] I'd be curious about our UK members' opinion about the effectiveness of the regional bits...
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Old May 8 2013, 01:48 PM   #201
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Other than acting like Yorkshire was the back of beyond and Matt's accent I didn't really notice any... maybe I just wasn't paying attention.
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Old May 8 2013, 01:48 PM   #202
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Clara's Yorkshire accent kept slipping into a Lancashire one, but that wasn't a problem. I suspect the bad teeth joke was inserted for the US audience.
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Old May 8 2013, 02:51 PM   #203
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^^It definitely was.

The discussion in Slate's Who blog noted that there was quite a bit of regional humor in this episode, playing off the typical Londoner's sterotypes of the North, and wondered how much of that was lost on the US audience. [A parallel to the North/South tensions in US culture is obvious] I'd be curious about our UK members' opinion about the effectiveness of the regional bits...
It's much like how they were always slamming Cardiff or Wales in the RTD years and on Torchwood. I'm sure much of that was lost on the US audience as well.
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Old May 8 2013, 03:09 PM   #204
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Eh, it was pretty easy to pick up. We just figured out that Cardiff is an easily mockable place.
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Old May 8 2013, 03:16 PM   #205
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^^It definitely was.

The discussion in Slate's Who blog noted that there was quite a bit of regional humor in this episode, playing off the typical Londoner's sterotypes of the North, and wondered how much of that was lost on the US audience. [A parallel to the North/South tensions in US culture is obvious] I'd be curious about our UK members' opinion about the effectiveness of the regional bits...
It's much like how they were always slamming Cardiff or Wales in the RTD years and on Torchwood. I'm sure much of that was lost on the US audience as well.
I'm sure a lot of it goes right over my head. But regional humor has a certain cadence where one person says something completely innocuous and the other responds with an apparent non sequitur. When I catch exchanges like that, I always start Googling.

A recent example was "What's the opposite of bliss?" "Um ... Carlisle?" Google Earth showed me a town in northern England named Carlisle, so I got that someone was supposedly just insulted. What I don't get is why.

Oh well, those crazy Brits! Folks in London and/or Cardiff don't like Carlisle for some reason. Let's file that away for future reference.
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Old May 8 2013, 03:28 PM   #206
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It's nothing in particular, Carlise is just perceived as a grim industrial northern town. You probably could have switched Carlisle for any number of other places (not all of them Northern) and the joke would still have worked. Slough, Scunthorpe, Milton Keynes etc.
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Old May 8 2013, 03:29 PM   #207
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Was really surprised by this episode. Had low hopes going into it as I did not think it would be a story that would appeal to me but then really loved it. Thought the blind daughter's acting was sublime. Only dud moment for me was the Doctor's 'ouch' when Diana Rigg fell off the stairs. Didn't think the Doctor would make a joke out of someone's death and felt out of character. But it was only a minor quibble.
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Old May 8 2013, 03:45 PM   #208
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Carlisle isn't that grim. It has some interesting ancient buildings and structures, although the civic centre building is pretty hideous.

http://www.discovercarlisle.co.uk/di...-carlisle.aspx
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Old May 8 2013, 03:50 PM   #209
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I'm surprised the punchline wasn't Hull.
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Old May 8 2013, 04:16 PM   #210
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Carlisle isn't that grim. It has some interesting ancient buildings and structures, although the civic centre building is pretty hideous.

http://www.discovercarlisle.co.uk/di...-carlisle.aspx
Oh I'm sure it's a great place, a lot of places perceived as grim are actually quite wonderful, but as shorthand goes somewhere like Carlisle still evokes that grim oop North notion.
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