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View Poll Results: Rate The Folded World.
Outstanding 3 7.89%
Above Average 9 23.68%
Average 9 23.68%
Below Average 6 15.79%
Poor 11 28.95%
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Old May 7 2013, 02:31 AM   #31
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Re: TOS: The Folded World by Jeff Mariotte Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Hmm... well, it's good to know. I've recently acquired the domain name "treklit.com" and I'd like to do more with the site than just a review blog. I'm thinking a big redesign will be a part of the process. I've enjoyed the look of it, but I think it's time for a change anyway. Thanks for all of the feedback!
Oh, how did you get it and how much did you pay? I was interested in treklit.com a while back too for the bigger and badder version of voting site we keep discussing now and then .
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Old May 7 2013, 08:29 PM   #32
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Kertrats47 wrote: View Post
Hmm... well, it's good to know. I've recently acquired the domain name "treklit.com" and I'd like to do more with the site than just a review blog. I'm thinking a big redesign will be a part of the process. I've enjoyed the look of it, but I think it's time for a change anyway. Thanks for all of the feedback!
Oh, how did you get it and how much did you pay? I was interested in treklit.com a while back too for the bigger and badder version of voting site we keep discussing now and then .
Actually, I got it as a gift from a friend when I was complaining that "treklitreviews.com" looks too much like "Trek Litre Views"! I thought it was taken, but he surprised me with it a few weeks ago.
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Old May 9 2013, 12:13 AM   #33
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Started reading it and put it down. So not down with the survivor of the Earth Outpost, who's "Seen some rough stuff man...."
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Old May 9 2013, 12:35 AM   #34
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Actually, I got it as a gift from a friend when I was complaining that "treklitreviews.com" looks too much like "Trek Litre Views"! I thought it was taken, but he surprised me with it a few weeks ago.
Nice gift, congrats! Use it well! With great domains comes great responsibility and so on and so forth.
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Old May 9 2013, 07:41 PM   #35
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Just finished this book; I had to give it an "average" vote on the poll. I really enjoyed the sections with Scotty dealing with the Ixtoldians, but other than that it didn't really "wow" me at all. It wasn't really bad, but I didn't feel it was really that great, either. Of the 4 TOS novels released in 2013 so far, I'd have to rank this one as my least favorite.
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Old May 10 2013, 04:50 AM   #36
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I'm sorry, but I didn't enjoy this one at all. Spoilers may follow, but it's a spoiler thread, so you've been warned.

The characterization of all the regular characters seemed off to me, and unfortunately none of the new characters drew my interest. Tikolo at least had an interesting backstory, but the whole "love triangle" subplot was painful to read. Vandella and O'Meara were both totally bland, and were pretty much interchangeable anyway.

And when did our heroes get so bloodthirsty? I was very surprised when I found out the landing party had their phasers set to kill during the firefights with the Romulans. It just seemed out of character. And Scotty seemed quite eager to destroy the Ton'bey at one point, too. I think there was at least one other example of an increased level of aggression, but I forget what is was at the moment.

I found a lot of the dialogue cringeworthy as well. A lot of it didn't sound like how someone would actually speak. There were a lot of instances also where a given character would say something that I just couldn't imagine coming out of their mouth (this also relates back to the characterization issues). Kirk's line "Fire at will! We're Starfleet, damn it!" (p. 203) was particularly eyeroll-worthy, so much so that I considered making it my signature here at TrekBBS.

The thing is... the book had a really interesting premise. I wanted to like this one. But it was actually a struggle to get through it. I had to put it away and take a break for a couple weeks before getting up the ambition to finish it... and when I was done, I was more relieved it was over than anything else.

What about the good points? Well, that cover was a beauty! And like I said earlier, Tikolo's backstory was interesting; plus it was nice to see a focus on a non-commissioned officer. (Although how she could then resign her commission at the end is beyond me.)

And speaking of the end (again, spoilers!), so OK, Tikolo shoots and kills one of her crewmates during a firefight because of her mental state. Yes, OK, she may not be criminally responsible because of that. But then she gets to choose to resign? You'd think Starfleet would have some kind of regulation that would say she was unfit for active duty or something like that.

So all in all, I found this book severely lacking. I actually rated it a "poor" on the poll, and I cannot remember the last time I rated a book "poor". I'm actually surprised at the (relatively) high number of favourable rankings for this book. I actually consider myself a fan of TOS, but I am not a fan of this TOS novel.

After reading the book, I checked MA to see if Jeff Mariotte had written any other Star Trek books. It turns out he wrote "Deny Thy Father", which was the only entry in the original six Lost Era novels that I thought was a bad book. Perhaps Mr. Mariotte's literary style just does not mesh with styles I enjoy reading.
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Old May 11 2013, 08:22 PM   #37
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There are problems with the dialogue and plot. There are no "away teams" in the 23d century. The previous comment about "we're Starfleet.." holds. Phasers set to kill is highly abnormal. If the environment cause a stun to be fatal that would be another matter. I have not quite finished but will see if the rest of the story will allow me to change my mind.
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Old May 11 2013, 08:37 PM   #38
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I've got no problem with the terms "away team" and "landing party" being used interchangeably. I doubt there were any sort of Starfleet directives outine specific terminology in either era.
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Old May 12 2013, 09:12 PM   #39
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The use of away team in a TOS novel implies a problem with the writing or editing. I did not notice that term used in TOS or its movie spinoffs. It should be a matter of keeping straight which era book you are writing.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:14 PM   #40
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The use of away team in a TOS novel implies a problem with the writing or editing. I did not notice that term used in TOS or its movie spinoffs. It should be a matter of keeping straight which era book you are writing.
That term may not have been used in TOS or its movie spin-offs, but that doesn't meant it couldn't have been used in that era by someone at some time. Had to have started somewhere, right?

In the meantime, it just seems to be a very minior nitpick, if a problem at all.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:40 PM   #41
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^Granted, "away team" was used a couple of times in Enterprise, so it theoretically could've been used in the TOS era. But it does feel kind of anachronistic when it's used.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:10 PM   #42
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^Granted, "away team" was used a couple of times in Enterprise, so it theoretically could've been used in the TOS era. But it does feel kind of anachronistic when it's used.
Away team may have appeared in Enterprise partially due to TNG-VOY people involved in the show.
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Old May 17 2013, 06:33 PM   #43
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I'm only about 80 pages in, but its a hard read. I'm just not really enjoying it at all. The whole story is just not very good, and the original characters are boring me. I'll give it a bit more, but I'll probably end up not finishing this one.
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Old May 22 2013, 06:18 PM   #44
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I didn't enjoy it. The ending was abrupt. Many things were left un-answered. A good chunk of the middle made no sense--maybe by design, given the environment the characters were in. Some characters spoke almost too casually at times - for some reason I can't even imagine Spock saying something like "So I apologized, believing I had not seen somebody" or Kirk, trying to distract an enemy by saying "Hey, you guys! Up here!". Maybe it's just me.
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Old May 25 2013, 11:41 PM   #45
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I finsihed it, and it wasn't very good. some of the characters felt off, and the book specific characters (specifically, the starfleet ones) were just uninteresting. This was a pretty lame book.
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