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Old April 16 2013, 01:02 PM   #121
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Re: "Plato's Stepchildren:" Kirk-Uhura Rape Scene?

It really seemed like Sulu was 3rd in command after Kirk and Spock in the first season.

In Arena, and Errand of Mercy, he is in command, not Scotty.

Actually, those are the only 2, I thought there were more.
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Old April 16 2013, 01:37 PM   #122
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Re: "Plato's Stepchildren:" Kirk-Uhura Rape Scene?

Also true, at least for Sulu in the first year. It's not a case of Scotty being referred to but not shown, as in JOURNEY TO BABEL or a few other episodes. So either Scotty was promoted or Sulu was demoted? At any rate, Scotty definitely has third-in-command status by the second year.

Chekov's only turn in the seat was during THE FINAL FRONTIER, correct? So then either Scotty elected not to assume command or Chekov has exceedingly good connections now. Obviously both are lieutenant commanders at that point. Would've been nice to see Scotty take command in the film sequels on occasion, anyhow.
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Old April 18 2013, 05:27 PM   #123
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Chekov's only turn in the seat was during THE FINAL FRONTIER, correct? So then either Scotty elected not to assume command or Chekov has exceedingly good connections now. Obviously both are lieutenant commanders at that point. Would've been nice to see Scotty take command in the film sequels on occasion, anyhow.
I would say in TFF, there was too much concern about the ship functioning properly for Scotty to take his eyes off the engineering ball, so to speak. So he probably respectfully requested command fall to Chekov in that case.
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Old April 19 2013, 12:06 AM   #124
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Re: "Plato's Stepchildren:" Kirk-Uhura Rape Scene?

Trying to figure out the absolute chain-of-command is a lot like trying to figure out a meaningful and accurate formula for "stardates" that fit all its citations ... you can't.

Generally, Scotty was the goto third in command but not always. Sometimes it was given to Sulu. Sometimes a rarely seen Lt. DeSalle. It was even worse in The Next Generation.

Of course in TOS it was predicated on how familiar the writers were with Trek, availability, story, etc. ... After Mr. Scott it boiled down to whoever was handy with no real regard to anything other than it couldn't be a woman.

TNG went overboard where anyone could find themselves in command - Troi, Crusher, the gimpy half-blind janitor on deck 23, literally anybody ...
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Old April 19 2013, 12:41 AM   #125
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TNG went overboard where anyone could find themselves in command - Troi, Crusher, the gimpy half-blind janitor on deck 23, literally anybody ...
Yes. It strained credibility to see the ship's medical doctor and a trendy psycho-therapist have turns at commanding a capital ship.

That's not who commands such an important ship-- not for an hour, not for ten minutes.
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Old April 19 2013, 05:41 PM   #126
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Just my opinion here, I know its easy to say in hindsight in the 21st century that the kiss was coersion and therefore 'rape'. You could probably say the same thing about Elaan (date rape) and Deela (coersion) and I'm not going to even comment on what Kirk did and Spock said in 'Enemy Within'.
In the 60s I think if the kiss were voluntary it would have not been allowed.

I think I read somewhere that the studio wanted two attempts of the kiss shot - one where they managed to resist and another where it happened so they could decide later whether to air it. Shatner said he deliberately muffed the non-kiss so the executives had no choice to use the kiss shot. I think everyone thought it was important at the time that the interracial kiss be shown.
It may look lame in our eyes now but it led the way. When Uhura kissed Spock in ST09 no-one batted an eyelid (well about the interspecies/racial thing anyway).


I agree that the women in TOS and even TNG were mostly there to be saved or admire the men in the series. So even though Uhura was mostly just 'answering hailing frequencies' of the 5 regular women characters in TOS and TNG she was the only one who was not in 'a caring profession' or a secretary
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Old April 19 2013, 06:06 PM   #127
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Re: "Plato's Stepchildren:" Kirk-Uhura Rape Scene?

Now just a bloody minute!
Are you implying that Uhura didn't CARE??????

More seriously....as the Shat/Uhu kiss was still not actually SEEN, basically it wasn't allowed anyway.
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Old April 19 2013, 06:55 PM   #128
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Trying to figure out the absolute chain-of-command is a lot like trying to figure out a meaningful and accurate formula for "stardates" that fit all its citations ... you can't.

Generally, Scotty was the goto third in command but not always. Sometimes it was given to Sulu. Sometimes a rarely seen Lt. DeSalle. It was even worse in The Next Generation.
Keep in mind, though, that there is a difference between what the regular chain of command is and who is given command in any particular instance.

The chain of command would determine who has authority over who in normal circumstances. So, for example, Data has authority over LaForge because Data is the second officer, even though Data and LaForge have the same rank.

The chain of command also determines who automatically takes command in an unexpected situation. So if Picard is killed or incapacitated, Riker takes command. If Riker is out of the game, Data takes command, etc.

However, when all is functioning normally and the captain leaves the bridge, he can assign command to whomever he wishes, without regard to the normal chain of command. So Kirk can give command to DeSalle or Picard can give it to Crusher or Sisko can give it to Ensign Ricky.
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Old April 21 2013, 11:07 PM   #129
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Wouldn't this have been a better candidate for the first interracial kiss on American network television?
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Old April 22 2013, 12:41 AM   #130
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Wouldn't this have been a better candidate for the first interracial kiss on American network television?
There's a famous anecdote from this scene, which I probably got from a David Gerrold book. Upon seeing Uhura, Campbell's line was supposed to be, "A Nubian prize!"

[Prize is military jargon for something captured during a battle. The word is most often associated with old sailing ships, when one was taken rather than sunk.]

But anyway, in some kind of Freudian slip, Campbell flubbed the line. He said, "A Nubian slave!" And Nichols supposedly said, "I'll kick you in the ass!"
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Old April 23 2013, 06:03 PM   #131
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TNG went overboard where anyone could find themselves in command - Troi, Crusher, the gimpy half-blind janitor on deck 23, literally anybody ...
Yes. It strained credibility to see the ship's medical doctor and a trendy psycho-therapist have turns at commanding a capital ship.

That's not who commands such an important ship-- not for an hour, not for ten minutes.
It's only silly if you think of them solely in terms of their job roles. Both Crusher and Troi were also experienced senior officers and that involves command training and experience. The bridge officer test was a bit silly but the concept isn't as long when you consider that Crusher was usually only in command during routine missions and an experienced line officer could be summoned if anything dangerous happened.

It's far sillier to leave Ensign NuChekov in charge of the bridge in the midst of a non-routine crisis.
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Old April 23 2013, 06:44 PM   #132
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Wouldn't this have been a better candidate for the first interracial kiss on American network television?
Uhura and the Yeoman? I would have been so down with that!

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But anyway, in some kind of Freudian slip, Campbell flubbed the line. He said, "A Nubian slave!" And Nichols supposedly said, "I'll kick you in the ass!"
"Ankle" was the word used in the book. It could have been edited for youngsters, however.
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Old April 24 2013, 03:25 AM   #133
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Yes. It strained credibility to see the ship's medical doctor and a trendy psycho-therapist have turns at commanding a capital ship.

That's not who commands such an important ship-- not for an hour, not for ten minutes.
But the average Joe Therapist wouldn't get to command a ship. Crusher and Troi first chose to go through Starfleet Academy when they didn't have to. We saw from Crewman Tarses in "The Drumhead" that medical personnel can go through a special, abbreviated program. They, therefore, presumably, got the same training as every other officer.

Second, they chose to specifically pursue command training, culminating in a test of their abilities that qualified them to command the ship.

Is that the way it would work in today's military? No. But it apparently works that way in Starfleet. If they'd simply said "we're letting the doctor take command," that would have seemed silly. But they justified it with the character's backstories and what we saw on screen.
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Old May 6 2013, 04:15 PM   #134
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It's a sign of the times in the late 60s. At the time they couldn't show two people with different skin colors kissing simply because both wanted to do it.
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