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Old May 5 2013, 10:44 PM   #31
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Well the funny thing with Quark is, that watching the show as a child I really really hated him. I thought he was just annoying, with everything about him being about making money, mistreating women and so on. It's only when I got older that I realized what a brilliant character Quark actually is, and that his relationship with Odo really is one of my favorite things about the show.

When I rewatched it some years ago, I was surprised to see so many great Odo/Quark moments even in the first season. This show was blessed with brilliant writing and equally brilliant actors. Auberjonois and Shimerman were such an integral part of the show.

My favortie Quark episodes would have to be "Rules of Acquisition", where we got a first hint that Quark was more than just your typical Ferengi, "Business as Usual", which once and for all established that he had a conscience, and "Profit and Loss", in which he got a nice romantic backstory that really allowed Shimerman to shine.
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Old May 6 2013, 12:08 AM   #32
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Star Trek aliens traditionally were intended to represent individual human traits, i.e., Vulcans=Logic, Ferengi=Greed, etc. I could never figure out what they were supposed to represent with all the different Xindi factions.
I always was under the impression they serve as overdrawn parallels for ethnic groups and how they were seen from a US-centric view starting with TOS. Klingons as russians, Romulans as the japanese, Cardassians as nazi germany and Ferengi as the logical conclusion of capitalist, hedonist 20th century americans.
I would switch the Klingons and Romulans. The Klingons are the Imperial Japanese and Romulans are the USSR. The klingons have ritual suicide and the 'samurai' warrior ethic. And Romulus has secret organizations that disappear people, which is blatantly Communism.
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Old May 6 2013, 05:40 AM   #33
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Star Trek aliens traditionally were intended to represent individual human traits, i.e., Vulcans=Logic, Ferengi=Greed, etc. I could never figure out what they were supposed to represent with all the different Xindi factions.
I always was under the impression they serve as overdrawn parallels for ethnic groups and how they were seen from a US-centric view starting with TOS. Klingons as russians, Romulans as the japanese, Cardassians as nazi germany and Ferengi as the logical conclusion of capitalist, hedonist 20th century americans.
I would switch the Klingons and Romulans. The Klingons are the Imperial Japanese and Romulans are the USSR. The klingons have ritual suicide and the 'samurai' warrior ethic. And Romulus has secret organizations that disappear people, which is blatantly Communism.
Originally in TOS, Klingons faced off against the Federation in a Cold War allegory. This was enforced by the Organians, as of the first Klingon episode, Errand of Mercy, so the Klingons were initially analogous to the Soviets.

The Romulans debuted in Balance of Terror, an episode based on a WWII submarine movie depicting a US Navy destroyer versus a German U-boat. Thinking of the Romulans as patterned after Germans would therefore be more apt than thinking of them as patterned after the Japanese. However, Romulans later assumed an allegorical role patterned after the North Koreans, in The Enterprise Incident.

None of these allegorical roles are absolute, and both Klingons and Romulans have been revised a great deal since the TOS days.

When it comes to ritual suicide, I've seen a Romulan commander blow his own ship up to avoid capture (in BoT), but I don't recall a Klingon ever doing anything similar.
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Old May 6 2013, 06:19 AM   #34
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Quark is tied for 1st place as my favorite DS9 character (the other is Garak).
Yeah... Garak is my fave, then Quark and Odo are close seconds.
Me too! I also love when the Grand Nagis shows up.

I just finished season 3 and I was thinking there werent enough Quark episodes! I really enjoyed "Family Business"
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Old May 6 2013, 10:37 AM   #35
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Quark is a great character IMHO. As said before, he has a unique perspective on humanity: IE: The Jem'Hadar, The Seige of AR-558, Little Green Men are great examples of his perspective. His character alternates from cowardly to courageous, and I think he transforms beyond the stereotypical greedy Ferengi from season 1 to a noble character by series' end.

As for the Ferengi-centric episodes, they are hit or miss, especially ones with his Mom or Liquidator Brunt, but Quark as a character shouldn't be docked for them.
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Old May 6 2013, 11:49 AM   #36
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Quark was so reliably entertaining I could mostly forgive the Quark as a female episode. Mostly.
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Old May 6 2013, 12:56 PM   #37
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I adore Quark and he only gets better with rewatchings. A very well written and layered character who was never just his species as is sometimes a pitfall of non-humans. And as I've always said, absolutely hot.
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Old May 9 2013, 05:01 AM   #38
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Well the funny thing with Quark is, that watching the show as a child I really really hated him. I thought he was just annoying, with everything about him being about making money, mistreating women and so on. It's only when I got older that I realized what a brilliant character Quark actually is, and that his relationship with Odo really is one of my favorite things about the show.

When I rewatched it some years ago, I was surprised to see so many great Odo/Quark moments even in the first season. This show was blessed with brilliant writing and equally brilliant actors. Auberjonois and Shimerman were such an integral part of the show.

My favortie Quark episodes would have to be "Rules of Acquisition", where we got a first hint that Quark was more than just your typical Ferengi, "Business as Usual", which once and for all established that he had a conscience, and "Profit and Loss", in which he got a nice romantic backstory that really allowed Shimerman to shine.
LOL M, your Tuvix avatar...

And yes Odo and Quark are awesome together!
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Old May 9 2013, 05:42 AM   #39
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If I lived on DS9, I know I'd never get anything done, because I'd be hanging out at Quark's all the time.

Also, I need one of these mugs:
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Old May 9 2013, 04:50 PM   #40
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LOL M, your Tuvix avatar...
Ha, thanks!

Just showing some support for our local Vulcan/Talaxian/Orchid hybrid.

I miss Tuvix.
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Old May 9 2013, 09:43 PM   #41
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If I lived on DS9, I know I'd never get anything done, because I'd be hanging out at Quark's all the time.

Also, I need one of these mugs:
I tried finding one of those online once to buy... no luck.
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Old May 10 2013, 03:02 AM   #42
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Quark would never give free refills! Even if it's just one!
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Old May 10 2013, 03:07 AM   #43
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LOL M, your Tuvix avatar...
Ha, thanks!

Just showing some support for our local Vulcan/Talaxian/Orchid hybrid.

I miss Tuvix.
Are you active in the hot and heavy Tuvix thread going on in the VOY forum?
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Old May 10 2013, 03:21 AM   #44
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Loved Quark for being projectable to todays public(especially casual viewers/non-trek-fans).
Living up to starfleet standards is neither possible for him (growing up in the Ferengi world) or for us. But very often he tried his best to stay near the border of light and dark, just to hop fast enough to the light . He actually was the most good-natured of the bad guys.
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Old May 10 2013, 06:19 AM   #45
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Quark would never give free refills! Even if it's just one!
You obviously misunderstand the subtlety of the fine print. He "refills" it once when you buy it.
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