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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 139 19.39%
A 157 21.90%
A- 98 13.67%
B+ 77 10.74%
B 58 8.09%
B- 27 3.77%
C+ 38 5.30%
C 37 5.16%
C- 23 3.21%
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D 13 1.81%
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Old May 5 2013, 09:09 PM   #1111
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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The only reason they had trouble beaming both Kirk & Sulu in freefall as well as Amanda was because the newly formed black hole was playing havoc with the targeting sensors. With Kirk & Sulu, Chekov had enough time to teleport them because he had a window of 25k feet (somewhere in that neighborhood), and he ONLY managed to teleport them RIGHT before they hit the ground. Amanda wasn't as lucky, as she was much closer to peril when the ground gave out beneath her.

That's why it was so much easier for them to beam Spock out of the Jellyfish before he hit the Narada, because they didn't have to contend with anything that would impede their sensors. Also, the drill hadn't been turned on by the time Kirk and Spock beamed onto the Narada.
Yeah, that's what I said.
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Old May 5 2013, 10:13 PM   #1112
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My first question is this:

What's crazy to me is that the people seeking the answer to absolutely every plot point is that they'll not experience it the way I enjoyed the movie. Then, if they're disappointed in the movie, they won't know if it was due to knowledge of spoilers or something else. The anticipation of the unknown is part of the experience.
I spent a lot of this movie attempting to second guess what would happen next - and it kept surprising me. In a good way.

If you're still determined...

My second question is far less spoiler-oriented: Is there an after-credits scene of any sort?
Nope, but many, many people stayed in the seats anyway. Whether they were enjoying the closing credits music, already dissecting the movie, posting comments to IMDb, Twitter and Facebook, or waiting for a after-credits scene, I don't know.
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Old May 5 2013, 10:29 PM   #1113
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Thanks Therin! I'm not really out to learn everything about the movie before the 17th, but I was really curious about that particular item. Be interesting to see whether or not ADF works that into his novelization or not (which I'm hoping will be available from the Sony Store on the 21st for my E-reader).

Although I'm a self-admitted spoiler-whore, I'll agree with you that knowing too much can diminish the impact of seeing a film for the first time. Then again, reading the novelization of ST:TMP a month before seeing the movie didn't stop me from loving every minute of it.

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Old May 5 2013, 11:12 PM   #1114
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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This actor was born in Mumbai Indian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrithik_Roshan
Is he a guaranteed box office drawcard, talented actor and popular heartthrob amongst SF media fans like... Benedict Cumberbatch?
Huh?

Okay, I'll play. He's all of those but not amongst SF media fans.

You do realize that Benedict was not any one of those things before Sherlock came on the scene, right?

Either way, stop asking these stupid questions. There's no point in comparing the two actors. I explained why yenny posted the link and that's that.

ETA: Okay, he was a talented actor always. Vastly talented. Sorry, posting in a hurry!

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Old May 6 2013, 12:40 AM   #1115
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With all the other nonsense we accept in Trek, if people dislike this movie, don't go see it, or otherwise gripe just because of whether or not who is playing Khan is the "right" color or right "ethnicity," then Trek fandom has jumped the shark.

Besides, as has been said a dozen times, Khan is a Muslim title taken by a Sikh whose actual name is Noonien Singh. If one is comfortable with that contradiction, or can explain that away, then anyone should be able to explain away who plays the character just as well.

Also, a Dastar is a mandatory item of headwear for a Sikh male. Where's Singh's? If there's an explanation rationalizing why he doesn't wear it any more, then there's an explanation suitable for who's playing the character.

Further, to be most correct, Singh should be wearing a Kirpan. He didn't in "Space Seed", and he doesn't in STID. Maybe it was under his clothes. Maybe he doesn't wear it because Khan Noonien Singh doesn't seem to stand for what it symbolizes: peace, non-violence, defense of the weak, and truth.

There seem to be a lot of inaccuracies in the character to chew on and explain. So, why stop at the actor portraying him?
As always, you bring some perspective, Franklin.

Btw, I just want to say that I *AM* watching this movie. I'm one of those old Trekkies for whom JJ and co DIDN'T make this movie. Because they know that, come hell or highwater, I'll be there with bells on.

But that doesn't mean I can't bitch if I want to. And they listen to us, too. If they didn't, they wouldn't be putting words in Pike's mouth that sound eerily similar to stuff we all say re Kirk's "promotion".
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Old May 6 2013, 01:34 AM   #1116
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With all the other nonsense we accept in Trek, if people dislike this movie, don't go see it, or otherwise gripe just because of whether or not who is playing Khan is the "right" color or right "ethnicity," then Trek fandom has jumped the shark.

Besides, as has been said a dozen times, Khan is a Muslim title taken by a Sikh whose actual name is Noonien Singh. If one is comfortable with that contradiction, or can explain that away, then anyone should be able to explain away who plays the character just as well.

Also, a Dastar is a mandatory item of headwear for a Sikh male. Where's Singh's? If there's an explanation rationalizing why he doesn't wear it any more, then there's an explanation suitable for who's playing the character.

Further, to be most correct, Singh should be wearing a Kirpan. He didn't in "Space Seed", and he doesn't in STID. Maybe it was under his clothes. Maybe he doesn't wear it because Khan Noonien Singh doesn't seem to stand for what it symbolizes: peace, non-violence, defense of the weak, and truth.

There seem to be a lot of inaccuracies in the character to chew on and explain. So, why stop at the actor portraying him?
For one reason:

In order to chew on the inaccuracies you list one has to know something about the real world and about the cultures under discussion...

...whereas to complain about the actor playing him one only has to know about and have an obsessive concern with the trivia and minutiae of Star Trek.
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Old May 6 2013, 01:49 AM   #1117
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Yeah, that's what I said.
Yes. The only difference is that I didn't have the foresight to hit refresh before posting.

Although, in fairness, you didn't mention anything about the black hole playing merry hob with the transporters.
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Old May 6 2013, 03:22 AM   #1118
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STID: The first sign that Abrahms is NOT infallable [-> G&D]

Obviously there was a lot of Hype around our J.J after Star Trek XI came out, he looked to be breathing new life into the series which had gotten stale. Star Trek Into Darkness however, was a little bit of a dissapointment to me. Without getting into too many spoilers, I have a feeling that the way J.J sees the Star Trek universe is a little bit one note. The performance of Benedict Cumberbatch is the high point of the movie, and expect J.J to get a lot of credit for that but the thing is Benedict would do well with any script.

All this is not to say that the film is bad, far from it. But with the novelty factor gone, STID is just a solid 7/10 actioner with a very good performance by it's main villain. Outside of that it's nothing special, and it suffers the same problems it's predecessor did, in forgetting the roots of the franchise, although this time it's even worse as J.J did not have to worry about the core fanbase buying tickets.

I hope that J.J is not at the helm for the next movie in the series, as it will be nice to see somebody else have a go. J.J can produce consistantly decent product but I feel he is lacking that something extra which will be needed to KEEP this franchise relevant.
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Old May 6 2013, 03:52 AM   #1119
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Obviously there was a lot of Hype around our J.J after Star Trek XI came out, he looked to be breathing new life into the series which had gotten stale. Star Trek Into Darkness however, was a little bit of a dissapointment to me. Without getting into too many spoilers, I have a feeling that the way J.J sees the Star Trek universe is a little bit one note. The performance of Benedict Cumberbatch is the high point of the movie, and expect J.J to get a lot of credit for that but the thing is Benedict would do well with any script.

All this is not to say that the film is bad, far from it. But with the novelty factor gone, STID is just a solid 7/10 actioner with a very good performance by it's main villain. Outside of that it's nothing special, and it suffers the same problems it's predecessor did, in forgetting the roots of the franchise, although this time it's even worse as J.J did not have to worry about the core fanbase buying tickets.

I hope that J.J is not at the helm for the next movie in the series, as it will be nice to see somebody else have a go. J.J can produce consistantly decent product but I feel he is lacking that something extra which will be needed to KEEP this franchise relevant.
Brief and not too detailed, but still a review, so off it goes to the Grading & Discussion thread...
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Old May 6 2013, 05:39 AM   #1120
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Couple o questions for Therin or the other lucky few viewers

1. How long and or poignant is the Nimoy scene?

2. Is the E shown in dry dock at the end for refit or repairs or is it just shown barely holding orbit beat to shit and smoking like A chimney

Sorry if these need spoiler tags can't figure out how to do it and I've been drinking alot of 12 yr old scotch
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Old May 6 2013, 12:17 PM   #1121
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reading the novelization of ST:TMP a month before seeing the movie didn't stop me from loving every minute of it.
I'm with you there. I read the novelization in a weekend, while trying to find someone to go to the movies with me to see TMP... and eventually went by myself.

I was amazed, after seeing the film, that one "Starlog" I read as a back issue had actually printed a pic of the Voyager 6 probe set before the film came out! But that was really the only plot point that would have been a crucial spoiler. STiD has lots of 'em.
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Old May 6 2013, 12:21 PM   #1122
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Couple o questions for Therin or the other lucky few viewers
1. For me, it was a complete surprise. I was convince that rumour was a red herring. It's... highly relevant. Not essential, but a thrill to see.

2. I honestly don't remember. I was still... climbing back from the edge of my seat.
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Old May 6 2013, 01:49 PM   #1123
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if people dislike this movie, don't go see it
How will they know if they dislike it?
It's called "a hunch".
So was Quasimodo's back.
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Old May 6 2013, 06:20 PM   #1124
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2. I honestly don't remember. I was still... climbing back from the edge of my seat.
Sounds like a bore fest if you couldn't stay awake long enough to realize what was going on..
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Old May 6 2013, 06:27 PM   #1125
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2. I honestly don't remember. I was still... climbing back from the edge of my seat.
Sounds like a bore fest if you couldn't stay awake long enough to realize what was going on..
I'm sure that's exactly the reason he will give, owing to his oh so negative reactions overall to the movie.
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