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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grsde "The Crimson Horror"
Geronimo! 52 43.70%
Good 40 33.61%
Average 16 13.45%
Bad 8 6.72%
…You just cannot see it 3 2.52%
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Old May 5 2013, 06:46 PM   #106
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Re: 7X11 The Crimson Horror(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS

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In this episode, we learn that the trio discovered the whereabouts of the Doctor after developing an image which revealed a mirror image of him on the iris of a deceased man. This is bogus science, but I don't question it because this is Doctor Who, and weird science is an essential element of the series.
It was specifically stated that -normally- it wouldn't be possible, but that the chemicals they were being dipped into caused enough of a change in the tissues to allow it.
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Old May 5 2013, 06:59 PM   #107
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I think the reason for including the procedure was that Doctor Who was paying homage to a belief held in Victorian England that such a thing was possible.
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Old May 5 2013, 06:59 PM   #108
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Well what can i say, top notch Who, the three comic relief's were just brilliant, Smith was on top form, Miss Emma Peel work was off the chart.

More please next week.
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Old May 5 2013, 07:16 PM   #109
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Re: 7X11 The Crimson Horror(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS

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An uninteresting story (I fell asleep trying to watch it... twice), unfunny moments (fainting guy, Thomas Thomas, just about anything with Strax) shoehorned in, and over zealous Gold music that doesn't fit.
My impression from the music was that it was all tracked from prior episodes - I don't think Gold wrote new music for the episode.
That's lazy and/or cheap on the part of the producers.

I realize part of the issue is that Murray Gold lives in New York and so he can't be in the editing room to write a score and spot the music so that it matches the episode. But the use of Gold's suites and the way they're chopped up to fit the scenes does neither his music nor the show as a whole any favors.
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Old May 5 2013, 07:47 PM   #110
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Enjoyable episode although I would have liked it to stay more Doctor-lite because, after The Doctor's revival, the gang disappears to the background for the most part. Something about The Doctor being zombiefied bugged me although I did enjoy Matt Smith's performance and the flashback sequence was pretty amusing particularly because, again, Matt Smith's performance. I also loved the Tegan references. However, the best part of the episode was the Diana Rigg/Rebecca Stirling double act. Both actresses acted their hearts out and I have to say they stole the show from everyone else (including Matt Smith).

I didn't like the final scene, not so much for the content (although it was a bit silly), but rather because of how blatantly shoe-horned it was. I really hope their presence in the next episode is because they were something Neil Gaiman wanted and will run off with. I certainly have faith in his writing ability, particularly with children (see Coraline and The Graveyard Book).

On a side note, I have to admit I'm rather amused by the whole "controversy" of the TomTom joke. I didn't get it at all during the episode (although I figured there was something behind it), and now that it has been explained to me via this thread, I do find it rather funny, but not nearly as funny as the disgusted response to the joke in this thread.
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Old May 5 2013, 07:51 PM   #111
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I think the problem with the joke is that it just seemed jammed in there. If Thomas played a part in the rest of the episode it might have gone over better.
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Old May 5 2013, 07:51 PM   #112
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Using pre-existing music used earlier in the series was and is a common practice in any TV show. TOS did it all the time, and it only had a couple of years worth of music to work from; There's eight years of Murray Gold score sitting in the vaults at this point. At any rate, I don't think the tracking hurt the episode any - at any rate, the music wasn't as In Your Face as Gold's score usually is.

It's more forgivable when it's a TV show and you have to get them cranked out on time. When you're doing it for a major motion picture (the Star Wars Prequels, for instance), THEN the "lazy/cheap" charge sticks.

The whole "Thomas Thomas" sequence felt like filler to pad out a too-short episode and give Strax something - anything - to do. Which doesn't exactly bode well for The (prospective) Vastra and Jenny Adventures.
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Old May 5 2013, 07:57 PM   #113
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The whole "Thomas Thomas" sequence felt like filler to pad out a too-short episode and give Strax something - anything - to do. Which doesn't exactly bode well for The (prospective) Vastra and Jenny Adventures.
Where would the budget come from to make a Vastra and Jenny adventures show? Where is the actual demand outside of a few hardcore fans?
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Old May 5 2013, 08:03 PM   #114
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For myself, I like the occasional use of the trio. I am not completely sold on the idea that there's enough material for a full-fledged series.
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Old May 5 2013, 08:05 PM   #115
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I'd like to see how the BBC manage giving us 14 episodes of Doctor Who again a year before I have faith in a new spin-off being any good. Torchwood was a waste and all Sarah-Jane Adventures did was make me feel like some sort of predator for lusting after Rani.
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Where would the budget come from to make a Vastra and Jenny adventures show? Where is the actual demand outside of a few hardcore fans?
I can't think of any good reasons for a Vastra/Jenny/Strax series. That's not to say there aren't reasons -- the characters are generally fun, there's room in the television marketplace for more Doctor Who-esque product -- but they're not reasons that would induce the BBC to greenlight a series.

The budget, I think, is the easiest objection handled. I could see BBC America wanting to buy into the program as a coproducer (it fits their "Supernatural Saturday" niche, to say nothing of its Whovian origins). And if filmed on Ripper Street's backlot in Dublin, the sets and props would be there to be reused.

But that brings us back to the question -- who is this for? Which audience would the series be for? The Torchwood audience? The Sarah Jane audience? That's the question that would need to be answered first.

A Madame Vastra spin-off strikes me as an idea that's better suited for the licensees -- comics, novels, audios -- since they're already targetting a niche audience.
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Old May 5 2013, 09:21 PM   #117
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Can someone explain the Tom Tom / Thomas Thomas reference to me...?
It's a SatNav joke that seems to have wandered in from a bad sketch comedy show.

If the series was being run by someone who was't asleep at the wheel it would have been cut after the first draft.
If only Russell were here to keep the show serious and grounded in gritty reality
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If only Russell were here to keep the show serious and grounded in gritty reality
Where were the burping bins?
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Old May 5 2013, 09:26 PM   #119
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Where would the budget come from to make a Vastra and Jenny adventures show? Where is the actual demand outside of a few hardcore fans?
I can't think of any good reasons for a Vastra/Jenny/Strax series. That's not to say there aren't reasons -- the characters are generally fun, there's room in the television marketplace for more Doctor Who-esque product -- but they're not reasons that would induce the BBC to greenlight a series.

The budget, I think, is the easiest objection handled. I could see BBC America wanting to buy into the program as a coproducer (it fits their "Supernatural Saturday" niche, to say nothing of its Whovian origins). And if filmed on Ripper Street's backlot in Dublin, the sets and props would be there to be reused.

But that brings us back to the question -- who is this for? Which audience would the series be for? The Torchwood audience? The Sarah Jane audience? That's the question that would need to be answered first.

A Madame Vastra spin-off strikes me as an idea that's better suited for the licensees -- comics, novels, audios -- since they're already targetting a niche audience.
Well I dunno, I mean Torchwood still seemed a stretch, Jack was popular yes, but to take a popular character from a family show and spin him off into an adult themed show...if the BBC hadn't been flush with cash and RTD riding high I wonder if it would have got green lit.

I still think Vastra would work best in a 30 minute format, but I agree, much as I'd like it we probably won't get it.
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Old May 5 2013, 09:27 PM   #120
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The actual reveal of Mr. Sweet felt a little weak, but the rest of it was pretty good. I love the Vastra/Jenny/Strax trio and the Thomas Thomas joke was great. Although I'm far more excited about next week's episode.
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