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Old May 5 2013, 04:24 PM   #1
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Were they paid?

From the Voyager episode "Dark Frontier"...

PARIS: When the New World Economy took shape
in the late twenty-second century and money went the way of the dinosaur...

And Enterprise is set mid-22nd century. This magical and never-quite-explained moneyless economy of Gene Roddenberry's supposed utopia didn't exist yet. Were there any references to money on the show? I don't recall any.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:27 PM   #2
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I can't recall the show saying anywhere if they'd given up money, or that they still used it. Perhaps even B&B realized that was a glaring plot weakness and just avoided addressing the issue.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:29 PM   #3
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No. They had to pay for the vacation on Risa (in a cut-out scene) but that's it.
As all other Starfleet Trek characters in all other shows the main characters in ENT are not motivated by money. Who would be when he could be on the first human deep space exploration mission.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:33 PM   #4
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...Zephram Cochrane?

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Old May 5 2013, 04:34 PM   #5
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I think money could have been an interesting addition to "Demons" and "Terra Prime" - if only for Paxton to crow about how much Starfleet is costing the people of Earth every year, and the cost of the Xindi attack.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:41 PM   #6
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The other problem with a moneyless society, is how were people compensated when their cash, property, products, farm goods, and stock certificates suddenly became worthless.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:42 PM   #7
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Of course there are costs. An absence of of money doesn't imply that the is no scarcity anymore. Even in the 24th century Starships are scarce. There are trade-offs, if you don't produce an NX-01 you can produce something else with it.
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Old May 5 2013, 04:43 PM   #8
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Old May 5 2013, 05:33 PM   #9
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They traded with spices (Season 3) and with goods. They had to pay the automated repair station (I forget with what). I'd say they were paid, but we didn't see anyone really talking about it.

Perhaps that was a missing Season 5 story - Mayweather Gets Audited.
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Old May 5 2013, 05:41 PM   #10
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They traded with spices (Season 3) and with goods. They had to pay the automated repair station (I forget with what). I'd say they were paid, but we didn't see anyone really talking about it.

Perhaps that was a missing Season 5 story - Mayweather Gets Audited.
They had to pay the ARS with something. Even if they did have money, the Federation didn't exist yet and it would have been Earth money - with no interstellar value.
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Old May 5 2013, 05:45 PM   #11
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The other problem with a moneyless society, is how were people compensated when their cash, property, products, farm goods, and stock certificates suddenly became worthless.
That wasn't a problem, since the moneyless society probably came to be shortly after WWIII when the Vulcans came along. At least I think that was the initial idea. No poverty, no diseases, and a re-orientation of the entire human society, all that happens after First Contact.
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Old May 5 2013, 05:45 PM   #12
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The other problem with a moneyless society, is how were people compensated when their cash, property, products, farm goods, and stock certificates suddenly became worthless.
My theories:

1) Credit. Everything is done on a evolved form of credit. The more you work, the more credit you get. It's all electronic with no real value outside the system. Sure there's an exchange rate, but outside the Federation/Earth you're not going to get as much as you would back home.

2) Energy/Replicator "Credit". You're guaranteed a basic level of living whether you work or not: A place to live (apartments/dorms), food, clothing, medical care, etc. But if you want better you need to work to earn the "Credits" to replicate bigger and better things. Example: Everyone may have a good, basic, sturdy communicator, but if you want a I-Communicator 5s you need to earn the replicator credits to replicate the device. Everyone might be entitled to a PADD but if you want the latest and greatest from Rigel III, you gotta earn the credits.

Or it could be some combination of the two.
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Old May 5 2013, 05:50 PM   #13
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I still cling to the idea that a moneyless society is only possible when you have almost unlimited energy and the ability to turn energy into matter, or at least rearrange matter, using replicators.
There is certain stuff that can't be replicated, like Dilithium, or Latinum, which is why these things still are worth a lot and even serve as a currency in some cultures outside the Federation.

It's also the idea that only Earth, human society, has no need for money. Humans are the most evolved and also naive culture in the Federation, after the Vulcans, who probably don't need any money either. We regularly see how humans are made fun of because of such things like having no currency at all. We also regularly see how Earth is spoken of as the Paradise. Which means Earth is pretty unique.

I guess humans adopted the no money thing from the Vulcans, shortly after WWIII. They also adopted some of their philosophy, which is why most humans now work to better themselves and the rest of mankind, instead of hunting for wealth, treasures and nationalism. Vulcan isn't considered the paradise, though, because it's a barren wasteland and Vulcans don't have emotions. Earth is the best of both worlds.
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Old May 5 2013, 06:07 PM   #14
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One thing I liked with Enterprise's early years was nearly everyone they met would say, "Earth? Never heard of it." We were the country hicks of the galaxy.
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Old May 5 2013, 06:08 PM   #15
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The thing is we almost NEVER see anyone using currency in Star Trek.

The Ferengi don't have money, they trade with latinum. They don't use credits or paper representing latinum - they use actual bars/strips/slips of latinum.

Nearly all trade is one commodity exchanged for another. The only real currency portrayed has been credits - such as what Uhura used to buy her tribble. I would guess that those credits have a value linked to a real physical commodity and are not cash as we think of it.
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