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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grsde "The Crimson Horror"
Geronimo! 52 43.70%
Good 40 33.61%
Average 16 13.45%
Bad 8 6.72%
…You just cannot see it 3 2.52%
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Old May 5 2013, 11:57 AM   #76
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Maybe a one-off season of 6 eps would be good though.
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Old May 5 2013, 12:00 PM   #77
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Yeah!
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Old May 5 2013, 12:44 PM   #78
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Seeing Diana Rigg and Rebecca Stirling acting their chops off against one another was one of the best parts for me. I've loved those two in anything I've seen them in, to see them together... marvellous.
I'm glad someone else mentioned this, because it seemed to me a wonderful bit of casting - to have mother and daughter play ... mother and daughter!


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No, this wasn't good.
As has been said to others, please take the time to explain why you feel this way. As you've seen, a simple all-too-brief comment like this can cause more grief than we need.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:23 PM   #79
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I liked it, felt that it wasnt too complicated. Good acting in all involved, liked Madam Vestra and her gang's involvemen, but as for the end while having clara appear in old photos is a good idea, I found kids a bit annoying, will have to see how the next episode plays.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:36 PM   #80
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Fun little episode. Not perfect, but it hit all the right notes. The Doctor and Clara--what little they were together--clicked pretty good. I was half expecting Vastra to smack the Doctor for kissing Jenny.

G1 Galvatron toy on the kitchen counter, in 2013? E-bay that sucker.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:37 PM   #81
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Can someone explain the Tom Tom / Thomas Thomas reference to me...?
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Old May 5 2013, 01:45 PM   #82
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The other slight downside to this episode is that it does show the limitations of the notion of a Vastra/Jenny/Strax show, because you really only have one of the three who can really travel openly (although people just assume Strax is some foreigner obviously )
Oh, there are a number of ways to deal with that. Vastra in a veil would get her out into the action. Or you develop a larger supporting cast -- the "Paternoster Row Irregulars," maybe.

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I'd still love to see a spin off show though, I just don't think it could sustain 13 episode runs...
For that matter, who would run the series? Moffat doesn't have the time, I'm not even sure that Gatiss has the time.

From a fannish perspective, I can think of a half-dozen things that could be done with the concept. For instance, is the Torchwood of the era aware of Madame Vastra's activities? Does the Captain Jack of that era ever cross paths with the Paternoster Gang? (If you want to get really fannish, there's an amnesiac eighth Doctor living in that era, too.)

The problem is, once I get through the fannish ideas, what I'm left with is Sherlock Holmes or Sexton Blake but with different characters, and my interest in the idea flags somewhat. That's down to the characters themselves; I like them, but I like them as supporting characters, though I will say that Justin Richards did good work in making them stand alone in The Devil in the Smoke.

Beyond that, I think the BBC would have hard questions for Madame Vastra Investigates. How does this enhance the Doctor Who brand? How does this fit with the rest of the BBC? How does this appeal to the mainstream audience? For that matter, who is this series' audience?

Ironically, for a period piece, I think it could be done fairly economically. For one thing, it could be filmed in Dublin on Ripper Street's sets; the backlot exists, so why not use it? For another thing, Madame Vastra Investigates would be of more interest to BBC America than the BBC itself; it's something niche that they could pitch at their "Supernatural Saturday" audience, so they might be willing to go in on a coproduction deal. (Though, honestly, they would much rather go in as coproducers on the mothership.)

To sum it up, I'm not opposed to a Madame Vastra Investigates spin-off. It's not my first choice for the next Doctor Who spin-off, but no one in their right mind is going to make an Abslom Daak series. But I think there are a lot of hurdles that need to be jumped before it happens. And it probably won't.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:47 PM   #83
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Can someone explain the Tom Tom / Thomas Thomas reference to me...?
It's a SatNav joke that seems to have wandered in from a bad sketch comedy show.

If the series was being run by someone who was't asleep at the wheel it would have been cut after the first draft.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:48 PM   #84
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Can someone explain the Tom Tom / Thomas Thomas reference to me...?
Tom Tom is a GPS navigator that gives turn by turn instructions and Tom is a shortening of Thomas.

Kmew there was a joke in there when watching the episode but didn't get it at the time.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:51 PM   #85
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No, this wasn't good.
As has been said to others, please take the time to explain why you feel this way. As you've seen, a simple all-too-brief comment like this can cause more grief than we need.
Since i'm not prone to making such comments frequently I thought I could get away with that.
The last two weeks I liked this series and then today I feel it's gone backwards to something a bit kiddish (more than usual) or either it reminds me of similar episodes. I didn't feel there was anything new here. Love the character and the cast. Felt they could have done more. I didn't like it, didn't hate it. I'd rather hate it with good reason than just be "meh" but it seemed bland to me and so that's all I feel to it.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:58 PM   #86
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Did anyone else take Jenny's black leather scene to be a nod to Diana Rigg's Emma Peel days?
I recall the outfit first appearing in 'The Snowmen', so it wouldn't have been created specially as a tribute to Mrs. Peel (Unless Dame Diana had already been cast for this back then). But on the other hand, I can easily imagine Moffat in a production meeting pushing the virtues of black leather. He is a cult TV fan, after all, and I'm sure he'd like a Mrs. Peel type in his show.

And after the implied oral sex reference in 'A Good Man Goes To War', here we have the Doctor see a gorgeous young woman strip off her maid's outfit to reveal the leather underneath, and his sonic screwdriver goes vertical. Hmmmm....

And was it just me, or was some of the music (near the start, before it got---once again---too loud and bombastic) deliberately reminiscent of Sherlock?
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Old May 5 2013, 02:00 PM   #87
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G1 Galvatron toy on the kitchen counter, in 2013? E-bay that sucker.
Was it really? I saw it and thought it was Galvatron but didn't get a good look. Nice.
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Old May 5 2013, 02:32 PM   #88
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Not surprised the morons are tuning out. I reckon they'll come crawling back for David Tennant and Billie Piper in the 50th though. Where hopefully it's less complicated because thinking is wrong.
Are you talking about morons on the show?
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Old May 5 2013, 03:12 PM   #89
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Not surprised the morons are tuning out. I reckon they'll come crawling back for David Tennant and Billie Piper in the 50th though. Where hopefully it's less complicated because thinking is wrong.
Are you talking about morons on the show?
He seems to be implying that the current run of episodes consists of stories so staggering in the intellectual capacity required to understand them that it's driven two million viewers away.

It's either that or people are no longer interested in buying what Moffat is selling.

Take your pick.
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It's a SatNav joke that seems to have wandered in from a bad sketch comedy show.

If the series was being run by someone who was't asleep at the wheel it would have been cut after the first draft.
Well, I was amused, at any rate.
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