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Old May 3 2013, 11:12 PM   #196
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I admit a part of my inner geek would love to see the movie replicate the comic book exactly, but it's just a small part.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:33 PM   #197
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Anna Torv or Alice Eve, why only considering blondes? How about Zoe Saldana for Sue Storm?
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Old May 4 2013, 12:08 AM   #198
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Zoe would be amazing...but she's already locked up for "Guardians of the Galaxy"
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Old May 4 2013, 03:31 AM   #199
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http://badassdigest.com/2013/05/02/5...s-no-big-deal/

For the detractors out there.
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Old May 4 2013, 09:57 AM   #200
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Anna Torv or Alice Eve, why only considering blondes? How about Zoe Saldana for Sue Storm?
They should make all the characters Black, then instead of it just being tokenism, they could advertise an "All-Black Cast" like the race films of the early 20th Century. Ah, we've made such progress.
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Old May 4 2013, 02:31 PM   #201
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Black men being more bad ass than white men may be more positive but it still blurs into stereotyping. You want to get bold, cast Reed Richards with a Black actor. Then gypsy Doom's fellow non-white positive feelings Reed can clash with his gypsies are white feelings. Also, we have a built-in explanation of why Reed is so go-it-alone and driven. And casting Ben Grimm as a homey follows naturally.

Also, part of the Torch's original character is not being very smart or at least, being very inexperienced. Making him so badass in some respects is revisionist, to no good purporse. If he's so badass, why's he hanging with his older sister?
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Old May 4 2013, 03:03 PM   #202
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Ben Grimm as a homey follows naturally.
Ben's back-story has never really sat well with how he has been written over the years - I can understand that it was to contrast him with Reed but a Test Pilot and Astronaut who is that dumb*? doubtful.


* to be fair, a few writers have highlighted this now and again.
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Old May 4 2013, 03:12 PM   #203
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There were wealthy African-Americans before the Civil War. There has been a privileged layer long enough that the phrase "Talented Tenth" was coined for them back at the turn of the twentieth century. SF fans might be aware of Samuel R. Delany's family background from his autobiographical works. Not too long ago, the Sanaa Lathan/Simon Baker film Something New put some of it on popular film. ER is a little older, but the Angela Bassett/Courtney B. Vance characters came from the same milieu.

It is of course true that as yet no African-Americans have as yet reached the extraordinary heights of the Rockefellers in their heyday. But I shouldn't be surprised if some have indeed reached the levels of a Hilton.

PS My belief is that DuBois wouldn't approve every self-assignment to the "Talented Tenth."
Have you read the Daniel Way's Nighthawk series from a few years ago? It does not try to hit the fact that is a What if Bruce Wayne was black series.
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Old May 4 2013, 10:12 PM   #204
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^^^Sorry, haven't read any comics since the Seventies.
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Old May 4 2013, 11:23 PM   #205
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Ben Grimm would be a black athletic jock football player from detroit who was High school mates with the nerdy white guy that is Reed Richards who Grimm protected from bullies.

Did i GO TOO FAR?
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Old May 4 2013, 11:30 PM   #206
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^^^Of course not. Having Black athlete Ben and skinny nerd Reed be gay lovers would be going to far though.
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Old May 5 2013, 02:00 AM   #207
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^^^Sorry, haven't read any comics since the Seventies.
Well then this will not spoil you - his parents are killed by racists and at the end when he is confronted by the joker, he basically says "who do you think you are fucking with" and kills him.
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Old May 5 2013, 09:55 AM   #208
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Ben Grimm as a homey follows naturally.
Ben's back-story has never really sat well with how he has been written over the years - I can understand that it was to contrast him with Reed but a Test Pilot and Astronaut who is that dumb*? doubtful.


* to be fair, a few writers have highlighted this now and again.
Ben Grimm is actually very intelligent. He plays at being dumb because of his background and because of his low self-esteem. His low self-esteem is what always prevented him from being able to change back and forth like the others can.
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Old May 5 2013, 03:40 PM   #209
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I'm still waiting for the announcement that roles like the Black Panther and Luke Cage have been given to a white actor because he had superior acting ability and was better suited for the part.
A white actor did play the (partly) Hispanic character Bane in The Dark Knight Rises.
I prefer that the characters do look close to the comic book depiction (to the point of even disliking a little that non-blonde Chris Evans played Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers, although he was good as the former and OK as the latter) but the quality of the writing and acting are much more important.
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They say "Bruce Wayne’s old money background pretty much means he needs to be a white guy"... is that really any different to the Storm's background of having a wealthy physician as a father (in fact, wasn't Bruce Wayne's dad also a physician)?
Yes. I'm sure there are plenty of wealthy black physicians, but I can't think of any African American families akin to, say, the Hiltons or the Rockefellers, which the Waynes were presumably modeled after. And if Johnny Storm is adopted, this isn't really an issue anyway, is it?
More importantly, the wealthy parents is part of Batman's origin story. It is a key component of who he is. Sue and Johnny's parents aren't even a blip on the radar in comparison.
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