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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old May 4 2013, 12:10 AM   #991
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How's that workin' out for 'Flash Gordon' and 'Buck Rogers'?
I don't remember how many times I saw the 80's Flash Gordon film as a kid. But I was surprised there wasn't a sequel.

Only saw the 80's Buck Rogers on TV. I would be interested in a new series for TV.
I have the Flash Gordon DVD. I would love if they do a reboot of Buck Rogers.
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Old May 4 2013, 12:11 AM   #992
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
A healthy diet of tribbles.
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Old May 4 2013, 12:27 AM   #993
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
Creative recasting.
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Old May 4 2013, 12:38 AM   #994
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
It's been done.



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Old May 4 2013, 12:41 AM   #995
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
Was there an explanation of why Ricardo Montalban's skin was so pale in ST II?

Harrison is based in London. I've just been there. Rarely saw the sun!

Being based in London, you'll eventually pick up an English accent. Not that he emphasizes it in STiD.
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Old May 4 2013, 12:49 AM   #996
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yeah, but Indians who live in the UK all their lives don't all of a sudden turn as pale as Benedict Cumberbatch! Unless they develop vitiligo... now, there's a thought. Just sayin'

But, yeah, Meyers never gave a reason why Khan was all of a sudden pale and blonde in TWOK when he was neither in Space Seed.
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Old May 4 2013, 12:51 AM   #997
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Hollywood Reporter review by Todd McCarthy (BEWARE: VERY, VERY FULL OF SPOILERS):
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mov..._source=feedly
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Only these links? You ought to take the word negative out of your google search.

Why not post a link to Variety's review, or the other 15 that read just like it?
Didn't know "Variety's" review was out. Just read it. Wow. That's what I like to read.

Here's the link, by the way: http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews...trek_benedict/

I posted the links to the negative reviews because they are so utterly and completely negative that they stand out as odd. I certainly don't agree with them at all, and as reviews of movies go, they have the "I don't like it because it's not the movie I wanted Abrams to make" stink to them.

Some of the best bits from those three reviews mashed together: The action sequences aren't really any good. Really? The 3D sets back the technology. Really? The movie disgraces the franchise. Really? It's mostly the retelling of "Nemesis". What? Cumberbatch is monotonic and wasted in the movie. Really? Kirk is too young to have a meaningful life-changing conflict with Khan, yet. Really?

To me, few things are more fun to read than really bad bad reviews.
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Old May 4 2013, 01:22 AM   #998
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The bad reviews do appear to be by people who are really pissed off that this Abrams trek is not the Star Trek they want to see. So they nitpick the movie to death and then proceed to tell us what they think a Star Trek movie should be. They need to get over it and accept that it is possible a new producer can come into the franchise and put their own spin on things and unfortunately for them it may not conform to their personal preference.

Maybe the next producer that comes in will make a trek movie they like?

James Bond movies were in this thread earlier. Those movies have seen similar changes as the actor changes and the producers change etc. the difference from Connery to Moore to Brosnan to Craig.... Not everyone will be happy with each iteration and everyone has a preference. You can't please everyone!
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Old May 4 2013, 01:33 AM   #999
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It was absolutely amazing. Loved every moment of it.
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Old May 4 2013, 02:04 AM   #1000
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They didn't bother with dark makeup in TWOK because it wasn't important to anyone by then that Khan had supposedly been Indian.
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Old May 4 2013, 02:20 AM   #1001
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
It's been done.



Oh. A credible example in a widely-appreciated film.

Might as well include Richard Pryor as the lead in SOME KIND OF HERO, too. That was casting against type of the kind making Joel Grey's asian in REMO WILLIAMS look politically correct.
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Old May 4 2013, 02:23 AM   #1002
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White Chicks?
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Old May 4 2013, 02:49 AM   #1003
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If harping on Cumberbatch's ethnicity is the best the complainers can do, well bless their anxious little hearts. It's monotonous, but bless 'em.
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Old May 4 2013, 02:55 AM   #1004
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Anthony over at Trekmovie.com just gave the movie a glowing review:

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Old May 4 2013, 03:01 AM   #1005
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yeah, but Indians who live in the UK all their lives don't all of a sudden turn as pale as Benedict Cumberbatch!
Put a pic of Cumberbatch and the "Space Seed" Khan side-by-side. Is the skin tone really all that different? (As different as two Saaviks' faces? As different as two Kirks' eye colours? As different as two Cochrans' faces?)

But, yeah, Meyers never gave a reason why Khan was all of a sudden pale and blonde in TWOK when he was neither in Space Seed.
He wasn't blond, his hair had gone grey/white. Stress brought on by the changes to Ceti Alpha V, the loss of his wife, failures of the Eugenics tech. All or some of these.

How do people tan? Melanin. What gives some clines darker skin tones? Presence of more melanin. Remove exposure to sunlight and the skin goes paler. Melanin. In STiD, Harrison's melanin has had different exposure to sunlight to Khan of "Space Seed".

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If harping on Cumberbatch's ethnicity is the best the complainers can do, well bless their anxious little hearts. It's monotonous, but bless 'em.
Exactly. What's next? Only gay actors can audition for gay characters? Only blue-eyed actors can audition for blue-eyed characters?

I don't recall too much outrage when Linda Hunt won an Academy Award for playing a male Chinese-Australian photographer, Billy Kwan, in "The Year of Living Dangerously". She was simply the best actor for the job.
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