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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 139 19.36%
A 157 21.87%
A- 98 13.65%
B+ 78 10.86%
B 58 8.08%
B- 27 3.76%
C+ 38 5.29%
C 37 5.15%
C- 23 3.20%
D+ 11 1.53%
D 13 1.81%
D- 6 0.84%
F 33 4.60%
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Old May 3 2013, 07:06 PM   #976
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

ConRefit79 wrote: View Post
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And for right now I'm NOT talking about box office, because that is not the measure of success we should be addressing,
It is if you want sequels.
Some of us fans may want that. If JJ Trek fails early, it will mean no Star Trek for awhile. But eventually the studio will try again, cause it makes them money. And hopfully they will see Star Trek's original formula has more staying power than JJ Trek and go back to it.
How's that workin' out for 'Flash Gordon' and 'Buck Rogers'?
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Old May 3 2013, 07:14 PM   #977
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Two very negative reviews:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/revie....php?id=103724 (no spoilers)

and

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62238 (spoilers)

Lesnick at Comingsoon is brutal, not even liking Cumberbatch. He believes the plot is a nearly beat-for-beat remake of "Nemesis". He ends his review with, "Diehard fans -- and the moviegoing public in general -- deserve better than this shameful franchise entry."

It seemed as if Mr. Beaks at Ain't It Cool News would've wanted to like the movie, but couldn't. He's hard on it, too, saying the movie is so misguided that it makes ST09 look like a lightning caught in a bottle accident.
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Old May 3 2013, 07:15 PM   #978
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Abrams's movies are the foundation for the next twenty to thirty years of Star Trek whether he even makes a third one or not. They represent a bright line of demarcation between the past - in which every new Trek production was required to fit into an increasingly ungainly, outdated and narrow continuity reaching back to the mid-1960s - and a future in which the studio and their hired producers will evaluate and develop every Trek project on the basis of how they believe it maximizes the value of the Franchise to them at that time.

The first question from now on will be "can you achieve the same level of commercial success with Trek that Abrams did?"

Some projects - most likely, any tv versions - may resemble oldTrek more than Abrams's movie in terms of story content (though certainly not visually). They won't be forced to fit into pre-Abrams continuity or style, though, and producers will be free to recast and use older characters and story material as they think best.

oldTrek as such is dead, forever. It died with Star Trek: Enterprise in 2005. It's highly doubtful that there's anyone in a position of responsibility at Paramount now who really regrets that or misses it.

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Old May 3 2013, 07:28 PM   #979
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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How's that workin' out for 'Flash Gordon' and 'Buck Rogers'?
I don't remember how many times I saw the 80's Flash Gordon film as a kid. But I was surprised there wasn't a sequel.

Only saw the 80's Buck Rogers on TV. I would be interested in a new series for TV.
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Old May 3 2013, 07:31 PM   #980
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I don't remember how many times I saw the 80's Flash Gordon film as a kid. But I was surprised there wasn't a sequel.
I don't doubt that you were.

Here's a hint: it bombed.
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Old May 3 2013, 07:42 PM   #981
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I don't remember how many times I saw the 80's Flash Gordon film as a kid. But I was surprised there wasn't a sequel.
I don't doubt that you were.

Here's a hint: it bombed.
It did. But remember, I was a kid then. And only go to see it on weekends. And there were always people there.
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Old May 3 2013, 07:59 PM   #982
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I too saw it more than once in the theater, and about a trillion and a half times on cable. I loved it.

Then again, I also liked Megaforce. I was even stupider as a child than I am today.
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Old May 3 2013, 08:05 PM   #983
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ConRefit79 wrote: View Post
I don't remember how many times I saw the 80's Flash Gordon film as a kid. But I was surprised there wasn't a sequel.
I don't doubt that you were.

Here's a hint: it bombed.
It did. But remember, I was a kid then. And only go to see it on weekends. And there were always people there.
But in the 80s there was no internet to tell you how much the movie sucked.
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Old May 3 2013, 08:09 PM   #984
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Carcazoid wrote: View Post
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I don't doubt that you were.

Here's a hint: it bombed.
It did. But remember, I was a kid then. And only go to see it on weekends. And there were always people there.
But in the 80s there was no internet to tell you how much the movie sucked.
Yeah, but we had FidoNet!

I actually miss my 300 baud modem.
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Old May 3 2013, 08:46 PM   #985
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I actually miss my 300 baud modem.
Last month I setup my old Atari 8bit computer with it's 300baud modem. It still works. Now just need a land line.
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Old May 3 2013, 09:08 PM   #986
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Opus wrote: View Post
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It is if you want sequels.
Some of us fans may want that. If JJ Trek fails early, it will mean no Star Trek for awhile. But eventually the studio will try again, cause it makes them money. And hopfully they will see Star Trek's original formula has more staying power than JJ Trek and go back to it.
How's that workin' out for 'Flash Gordon' and 'Buck Rogers'?
Who cares? I'm not seeing umpty-um posters daily on a gordonbbs or rogersbbs site, but there are all these folk who are here (and most were here pre-Abrams, even during that period when everybody thought all ModernTrek was crashingNburning) because of the Trek that went before, talking about it years and decades after the fact.

Not just talking apples & oranges here ... talking the difference between fresh fruit and freeze-dried soylent.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:08 PM   #987
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Hollywood Reporter review by Todd McCarthy (BEWARE: VERY, VERY FULL OF SPOILERS):
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mov..._source=feedly
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Only these links? You ought to take the word negative out of your google search.

Why not post a link to Variety's review, or the other 15 that read just like it?
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Old May 3 2013, 11:26 PM   #988
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Note this: the guys who hated it were the fanboys who expected JJ not to do the Khan story and are really pissed off that Khan is in the film.

JJ needs to make money for Paramount or Star Trek dies.

Screw the fanboys.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:49 PM   #989
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truthfully i'm looking forward to seeing Benedict's version of Khan / John Harrison. only 14 days left.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:56 PM   #990
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Any explanation in the film why Khan is suddenly a pale Brit with a low voice?
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