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Old May 2 2013, 07:07 PM   #16
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

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Do I view TOS through nostalgia-tinted glasses? I'm sure I do. But even when it's bad I'm never bored. I can't say the same thing about Modern Trek.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:08 PM   #17
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

I'm almost ashamed of how often I've watched "Turnabout Intruder" (one of the few I have on DVD) compared to some of the 24th century productions.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:17 PM   #18
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

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I'm almost ashamed of how often I've watched "Turnabout Intruder" (one of the few I have on DVD) compared to some of the 24th century productions.
I love Turnabout Intruder, Shatner gives one hell of a fun performance. But then I also love The Omega Glory, so I might just be insane.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:21 PM   #19
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale her infinite variety.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:47 PM   #20
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. . .blah. . ."Turnabout Intruder". . .blah. . .
I love Turnabout Intruder, Shatner gives one hell of a fun performance. But then I also love The Omega Glory, so I might just be insane.
Yeah, Shatner's willingness to so often go out on a limb and be completely crazy saves a lot of the lesser episodes.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:13 PM   #21
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

Many people now complain that Star Wars (the original) is slow and boring, but when it came out in 1977 a some people were complaining it was too damned fast. Times and styles change. We're accustomed to cuts of less than a second's duration these days, which would have seemed ridiculously fast to audiences in other eras. So, has it aged badly? That depends on by which metric you're using.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:16 PM   #22
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Much has changed in 50 years -- editing styles, acting styles, directing styles, writing styles, technology, hair styles, etc.

TOS has a lot of "warts," even by the standards of the 1960s and 1970s, but it remains my favorite Trek television series.
Agree.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:56 PM   #23
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

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I'm almost ashamed of how often I've watched "Turnabout Intruder" (one of the few I have on DVD) compared to some of the 24th century productions.
I love Turnabout Intruder, Shatner gives one hell of a fun performance. But then I also love The Omega Glory, so I might just be insane.
For much of the final days of filming Shat had a high fever, and may very well have been delirious.

Seriously though, I love each and every one of the original episodes.

Except Doomsday Machine.
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Old May 2 2013, 09:17 PM   #24
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the characters are often obtuse and whiny not because of their personalities but because the script uses this as an excuse for actual drama.
Funny, this is exactly what I find wrong with today's television, and why I refuse to watch anything made now, with the exception of The Simpsons.

I think you are making the same mistake most viewers (typically the younger folks) make: you are applying contemporary standards to a show made almost fifty years ago. If you do that, of course it's not going to compare. You need to watch it (or anything else really) with no expectations other than being entertained. That is, after all, what a TV show is for. Well, that, and to sell products of course.

Once you do that, you might find that you enjoy a show alot more, regardless of the time it was made.
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Old May 2 2013, 09:22 PM   #25
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

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I just finished the first disc of fandom's favorite season of TNG, season three on Blu-ray and out of five episodes only found one remotely watchable (The Survivors).

Do I view TOS through nostalgia-tinted glasses? I'm sure I do. But even when it's bad I'm never bored. I can't say the same thing about Modern Trek.
I love the nostalgia, and TNG and DS9 were what started my decline in Trek viewing.
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Much has changed in 50 years -- editing styles, acting styles, directing styles, writing styles, technology, hair styles, etc.

TOS has a lot of "warts," even by the standards of the 1960s and 1970s, but it remains my favorite Trek television series.
Quite agree, look at contemporary shows, from Wild Wild West to Gilligan's Island and you'll see that it was made to the standards of its day.

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Bear in mind that's it's almost 50 years old, how many other TV shows from that era are still shown in re-runs? The fact that it varies in quality means very little, even modern TV shows can vary in quality from episode to episode. As for pacing, sometimes fast is good, but equally sometimes a slower pace can be good.
How many shows are in reruns from the 90's, much less the 60's? Some folks enjoy entertainment from other eras, while others don't for various reasons. To say something ages badly? That is often a personal dislike trying to mask itself as a fact. Everything ages even kids of the 90's.
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Old May 3 2013, 12:23 AM   #26
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Nostalgia can play a part at times. To a certain extent our tastes in music/film etc... are definied during our youth. People complain about modern music/films/TV shows etc.. not being as good as it was when they were younger. But of course it would be true to say "No matter the era there is some good and some dire stuff".

Did I grow up on Trek, sure I did I remeber watching it on BBC2 in the 80's when I was a wee nipper, along with other TV shows from that era "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.", "Mission Impossible", the Gerry Anderson shows "Thunderbirds", "Captain Scarletand the Mysterions" etc..

But of course the TV landscape has changed a lot in that time. I remember when we only had 3 TV stations in the UK. But today with hundreds of channels, OnDemand services etc.. Just about everyone is catered for.

Star Trek has withstood the test of time. Is it because of production values, FX, acting etc.. Perhaps that has played a part, but I would say it has stood the test of time because of the stories it told. The best FX in the world can not compensate for the lack of a good story, a good story however can compensate for lacklustre FX.
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Old May 3 2013, 12:27 AM   #27
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Re: Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

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IMO it's The Next Generation that's aged the worst - I couldn't make it through my last attempt at a rewatch. Awful direction (they stand around, arms at sides like mannequins, taking turns to recite lines), zero excitement and endless prentious, self-congratulatory nonsense. Bleh.
I couldn't agree more. TNG is the only one I can't re-watch beyond a handful of episodes.
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Old May 3 2013, 12:33 AM   #28
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Is Star Trek (the original series) aging really badly?

Simple answer: NOPE
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Old May 3 2013, 12:38 AM   #29
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My question therefore is, is our respect and love for this series based on too much reverie for the past than actual quality that stands the test of time?
This is like saying, "You still love your father? Come on, the old man hasn't updated his look in 40 years. Dump his ass!"
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Old May 3 2013, 12:57 AM   #30
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So many opinions be touted around as if they're fact.

To me TOS may well have laid down the foundation, but greater things were built upon it. Of course it hasn't aged well. Heck we have more modern technology today than when TNG, DS9 and VOY were airing. It happens and perceptions of the futures change accordingly with time. Besides, a lot of novel writers would be out of work if they couldn't recon mistakes in the shows/movies.

Shatner and Nimoy never seemed more than average actors to me. Certainly the characters they played were iconic, but their acting careers beyond Star Trek weren't that great in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, TOS has a number of great, well written episodes, but it also has a number of just... faceplaming ones. Over all the pace of the show is just too slow to keep my attention or more accurately, my interest, for any amount of time.

It really was the TOS movies that really got me liking the characters more so than the show. Which is why I have to ask if you're talking about the show or movies when asked which series I like better. Certainly there's something to the even/odd rules concerning which movies are better, but for the most part they told a single story, had great adventures and it was fun without being slow or repetitive like the show can be.

So that's my opinion, take it as you will.
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