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Old May 2 2013, 05:25 AM   #16
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Re: 5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

What kinda nut gives a weapon to a 5 year old...? And for that matter how does a parent or anyone not make sure there is not a damned bullet in it? Parents should have to take a test to have kids I swear! This is beyond sad.
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Old May 2 2013, 05:53 AM   #17
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I think they should make pornography especially for children. You'd have to supervize them with it of course, but it would help them understand sexuality better for later in life. Kids who grow up without pronography will be much more dangerous when it comes time for sexual relations.
Let them watch Red Shoe Diaries. Hell, just give them the early 90's Showtime, Cinemax, Discovery Channel and The Learning channel. That was a very informative group of sources.
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Old May 2 2013, 06:47 AM   #18
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Kids guns have been around as long as guns have. In Appalachia many kids got their first gun at age six, almost invariably a junior .22 rifle. The average age for getting a personal rifle was 11 or 12, though. I was probably seven or eight before I started shooting a beautiful Remington 512 (a tube fed bolt action which are now hard to find, though the 511 seems common enough).

This kind of tragedy happened on occasion (Chuck Yeager accidentally killed his baby sister), but it is very uncommon. However, modern indulgent permissive parenting and giving children tools of lethal force don't mix very well.
It was Chuck Yeager's older brother Roy who killed their little sister.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:47 AM   #19
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Parents should have gotten the dumb kid a water gun instead.
The kid isn't dumb, the kid is a kid. Blame the parents.
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Old May 2 2013, 10:04 AM   #20
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Yeah, these idiots are responsible for the death of their kid and for whatever this boy has to go through for the rest of his life. The kid should be placed with a sane family so he can hopefully grow up to cope with this.

Nobody under the age of 13 should be using a gun and nobody under the age of 18 should be able to own a gun. Neither should anybody with an IQ of "Idiot."
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Old May 2 2013, 04:25 PM   #21
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The parents need to be brought up on charges, and my prayers go out to this little guy who has to go through life aware of what happened.
I understand being angry at the parents for their carelessness, but I think they honestly will be punished enough. If they spend a 100 years in prison or go free, they will have still lost one child at the hands of another.
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Old May 2 2013, 06:53 PM   #22
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How 'bout this for a rule: if you're too young for Space Mountain, you shouldn't shoot a gun, period.
There's no age requirement for Space Mountain, just a height one.
Well, I was about to write "if you're too short to ride Space Mountain," but then realized I didn't want to be accused of anti-little people-ism.

So, okay, "unless you're a little person already over the age of ten, if you're too short for Space Mountain..."
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Old May 2 2013, 07:11 PM   #23
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Re: 5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is with a good kid with a gun.

If only the two year old had a gun, this wouldn't have happened.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:26 PM   #24
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I don't think they need jail time, but I think the state needs to go into the home and remove all firearms and a court order issued barring them from purchasing, owning, or storing guns and ammo so long as there is children living in the home. Clearly these were not responsible gun owners and can't be trusted to have firearms and kids in the same house.

I'd also mandate that the 5 year-old be monitored by a court ordered psychologist to help deal with 1) the fact he killed his baby sister 2) signs of mental or physical abuse by the parents.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:34 PM   #25
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Re: 5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

Waits for the NRA to proclaim background checks wouldn't have saved her
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Old May 2 2013, 09:34 PM   #26
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Wow, that is the most disturbing piece of news related to gun control I've ever read.

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Old May 2 2013, 11:58 PM   #27
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A kid who grows up shooting and learning proper safety practices will be safe as an adult as well.
No.

A kid who plays with toys and not weapons of war will grow up to be a safe adult.
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Old May 3 2013, 12:48 AM   #28
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Re: 5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

It's always sad to hear about these things happening I agree that a kid that young shouldn't have a gun in the first place. There's just too much room for error. And if parents insist on giving their kid a gun, then they should have the common sense of taking safety precautions such as not leaving guns laying around and not having them loaded. At that age, a kid is not going to know any better, and they're impressionable, and much more liable to do things because they see their parents do something. That does pose a question about the parents though. If they've left their kid's gun laying around loaded, I wouldn't trust this family with guns, period.

Reminds me of a story I read a long time ago. Must have been in 2009, where a father took his kid out to a gun fair and let him shoot what must have been a semi-automatic, and the kid couldn't handle the recoil and wound up shooting himself.
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Old May 3 2013, 03:02 AM   #29
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A kid who grows up shooting and learning proper safety practices will be safe as an adult as well.
No.

A kid who plays with toys and not weapons of war will grow up to be a safe adult.
Please spare the hyperbole. A .22 caliber target rifle, like the ones we used at Scout camp, is not a weapon of war.

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Old May 3 2013, 05:50 AM   #30
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Re: 5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

I grew up in texas, I think my parents might have gotten me a nerf thingamajig when I was 5 years old, or a water gun, yeah....

These parents are pretty stupid to be giving a 5 year old a gun IMO, very irresponsible
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