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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old May 2 2013, 02:32 AM   #856
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How about we let the people who've already seen it contradict or expand on what the actors are saying, rather than attacking someone pointing out what they said.
I hate relentless, dumb, action movies with little character development.

I enjoyed "Star Trek (2009)" and "Star Trek Into Darkness".

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I am on Tumblr where every day, I see the excited ramblings of 16-18 year old newly minted Trekkers who saw the '09 film, and now are watching up all of the original series on Netflix.

It's pretty cool. Can't argue with that.
Definitely.

When I found TMP at 21, it became my mission to explore TOS. And TAS.

Interestingly, some TNG fans didn't feel the need to explore everything that had gone before. A strange phenomenon that hit that young sector of fandom was when "Doctor Who" went into hiatus. A lot of those displaced fans jumped to TNG, as demonstrated by the renaming of "Doctor Who Bulletin", to "DWB", to "Dream Watch Bulletin", and its widening in scope from "Doctor Who" articles to general SF media articles (and a huge amount of TNG coverage).

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There is something to this. But I think it has to do with devolving Star Trek for mass consumption.
So, are we saying that Nemesis and Insurrection were more evolved Trek?
As I mentioned before, our ST club lost a lot of original members (from the early 70s) when ST IV came out in 1986 and they dismissed it angrily/sadly as what they called "the dumbing down of 'Star Trek' for the masses." For others, it was their favourite ST movie, and its financial and critical success greenlit TNG.
The Trek fanbase will always be divided. It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC. Each new production is going to create some new fans, and alienate some old ones.

Funny, a lot of fans of nu Doctor Who don't go back and watch the old stuff. And yet quite a few fans of ST 09 do want to go back and check out the old episodes. I think it's just that their appetite for Trek is awakened and needs to be satiated They are hungry for more material.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:02 AM   #857
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I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advise I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's you passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.
Yep. Gotta clock a lot of hours at Burger King to pay off that 100K loan, too.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:47 AM   #858
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Been reading the reviews and digging for spoilers (which is getting easier and easier). Just visually the movie's going to kick ass. I am concerned they've crammed to much into one movie. Seems like it could make 2 movies easily.

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Like I said, there are very few exceptions to the rule.
You're wrong; college is not a "rule" - it's an increasingly dysfunctional educational/career/training path.

BTW, you know they're making these movies about people who are exceptions don't you? The idea that it's someone's job to send kids the message "work hard, stay in school and you can be Captain Kirk" is absurd.
I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advice I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's your passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.
Yeah. With all the talk of so much action and intrigue, I've been worried for a while that one of the criticisms of this movie would be that they tried to do so much that either they couldn't pull it all together for a decent payoff, or that it goes off track and becomes a mess. But so far, so good with the reviews.

On the secondary topic : I advise students to take the liberal arts approach in college these days. No one should go to college just to be a "WHATEVER" any more, or major myopically in "WHATEVER." More and more students are being advised to plan on having three or more careers in the real world during their working lives, so flexibility is a must. Just having a college degree creates no future certainty any more, we're certain of that.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:59 AM   #859
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If you're going to spend the time and money to pursue a four year degree or beyond, you ought to have a very clear understanding of why you're doing it and what your goal is as well as what it's actually worth to you. Otherwise you're going to wind up with little more than a useless degree and some peculiar memories of how you spent your free time.

Unfortunately as others have noted, college in the U.S. now is a default - everyone goes because they're expected to, because it puts off adulthood for another four or more years and because if you don't go you're viewed as having fallen below some basic threshold of minimal achievement and therefore have failed or been denied an "opportunity" that's close to an entitlement. A hugely dysfunctional set of attitudes.

Full disclosure - I have a four year degree. I did further study but didn't pursue an M.A.
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Old May 2 2013, 04:11 AM   #860
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It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC.
IDIC is nonsense, much like several other touted "philosophies" of Star Trek. It's a shame that any fans try and make any real world application of it.
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Old May 2 2013, 05:49 AM   #861
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It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC.
IDIC is nonsense, much like several other touted "philosophies" of Star Trek. It's a shame that any fans try and make any real world application of it.
Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not. "Joto mot toto poth" is an old Hindu saying in Bengal (in India). It means essentially.... yes, IDIC.

In your zeal to sound cute, you pretty much reveal the idiot you are.

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Old May 2 2013, 07:36 AM   #862
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Maybe someone upthread has posted this but as of this post, STID is at 100% after 7 very different positive reviews!!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star...into_darkness/
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Old May 2 2013, 08:20 AM   #863
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its now down to 88%
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Old May 2 2013, 09:32 AM   #864
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Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...ss-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?
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Old May 2 2013, 12:03 PM   #865
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Must admit, this line made me laugh:

Together they have come up with a very clever sleight-of-hand: all of the narrative cracks are papered over with references to old Star Trek characters and episodes. 'Hang on a minute,' you find yourself thinking, 'that doesn’t make sen ... oh look, a Tribble.' The malevolent genius of this is best appreciated in a cinema filled with confirmed Star Trek fans, who will dutifully whoop and applaud a familiar alien while the film quietly pulls off another dubious plot manoeuvre under their noses.
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Old May 2 2013, 01:23 PM   #866
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Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not. "Joto mot toto poth" is an old Hindu saying in Bengal (in India). It means essentially.... yes, IDIC.
From Memory Alpha
The invention of the IDIC by Gene Roddenberry caused friction between him and Leonard Nimoy, who saw it as a cheap ploy to sell replica merchandise to fans.
And who can forget this line from Space Balls:

Yogurt: Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.
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Old May 2 2013, 01:24 PM   #867
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Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...ss-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?
most of the comments following the review are pretty negative too. not much love for stid in that paper's readership.
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Old May 2 2013, 01:26 PM   #868
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Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...ss-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?
Reads like something that could have been written by a poster here Am I the only person that's getting tired of anytime Trek does a space-battle/action scene in space (or any scifi movie does for that matter) it gets compared to or called a ripping off of Star Wars?

And I just thought of this: The chase through asteroids? Star Trek did it first: Mudd's Women. So Star Wars ripped off Star Trek
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Old May 2 2013, 01:29 PM   #869
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^^^

Oh wow he rpis it to shreds:
Concluding points:
A large portion of Star Trek’s audience may well be satisfied by a film that amounts to not much more than an incredibly pretty and sporadically funny in-joke. But think back to the corny romance of that original mission statement, recited by William Shatner on many a rainy school night. Strange new worlds. New life. New civilisations. Boldly going where no man has gone before. That pioneer spirit? It’s gone.
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Old May 2 2013, 02:35 PM   #870
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The Bleeding Cool reviewer liked the movie - I loved this bit of his review:

There’s a growing sub genre of action movie filmmaking that I’ve decided to call the Thesp In A Jar™. A bad guy, ideally a proper British actor, get caught and declaims rhetorically from inside a glass case. I think Silence Of The Lambs was the first of its kind, then there was a bit of a lull… but lately we’ve had The Avengers, Skyfall, and now Star Trek Into Darkness.
Thesp-In-A-Jar?
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