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Old May 1 2013, 09:50 AM   #16
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Re: Abrams: Into Darkness is a Bit Sexist (plus new 'sexy' TV spot)

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There is - trust me - and you'd scream too. Read the spoiler thread if you want to know why. If not, you'll see why in 2 short weeks.
Any hint as to where in the Spoiler Thread it is?
"Less successful is new recruit Carol Marcus (Alice Eve)...and if you're wondering, that underwear shot is just as gratuitous in context as it was in the trailer."

This is a theme repeated in a number of reviews.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:56 AM   #17
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I have always thought that Star Trek had two kinds of women--those that were attractive love interests like Seven of Nine, Deanna Troi, and every alien Kirk encounters, and the brainy types like Janeway who can't play sex as easily as the others. Look at Nurse Chapel in the first series, or the Orion slave women in the original pilot, hell the main female lead in "The Cage." Star Trek has never, in Gene's vision, presented women in a good light. They are breathless, highly emotional vessels for men to conquer.

I found Uhura in 2009 to be head-and-shoulders above any other interpretation. While she rushes to the door every time Spock starts off the bridge, and is a love interest for both Spock and Kirk, she manages to be more highly qualified than any of the other main cast members. It was mixed together--she is stripping on camera while telling us that the Klingon armada was destroyed. She stands up to Spock, something Nurse Chapel never would've done, and gets herself put on the Enterprise. She confirms Kirk's report and then takes over for the communications officer because she can speak all three dialects of the Romulan language. She's actually more qualified, it's fleshed out, than even Kirk and Spock. She has a history.

While it is a fair point that Seven of Nine was in a cat suit and Carol strips down to her skivvies and that's what's sold to the audience, this version of Trek manages to treat women better than previous incarnations, by comparison. "Can you feel me Imzadi?" Hell, an actress got fired over bringing this to Gene's attention (Gates McFadden).

It's been more glaring than any other problem I have with Trek. The fact that JJ sees this, brings him up in my book.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:57 AM   #18
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Wait a minute--a bunch of Treknoids are complaining about a woman in her underwear?

We're doomed. DOOMED!
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Old May 1 2013, 10:02 AM   #19
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I don't have a dog in this fight, and I really do see both sides of the issue, but I will point out that the thread directly under this one was about the premier in Berlin, Germany, complete with photos. Ms. Saldana is wearing a very short dress and very high heels. Ms. Eve is wearing a mostly-covering, but still slinky, red dress. Neither one looks like a slut, but the point is: take a look at the actress's photos, not just these actresses, but most of them, when they are dressing themselves and not being told what to wear for their role. You will find, more often than not, that they will choose to wear things that would be called objectionable and sexist if worn in the movies they are promoting. I guess it's not always a bad thing to try and deny human nature but you're still, well, denying human nature.
Being Sexually attracted is human nature. Men putting women on display for their amusement is not. That's a male-dominated society. At least when women drool, it's usually over a guy in a suit, dressed from head to toe. We don't see the clothes, gentlemen. We see what part of the body is showing and being accentuated. Men are not asked to do that. We like to be titillated. So here we go on this debate. Why does women fashion show more skin?
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Old May 1 2013, 10:04 AM   #20
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Wait a minute--a bunch of Treknoids are complaining about a woman in her underwear?

We're doomed. DOOMED!
The same people who vote in the "Babe of the Week" thread every time they get a chance, too.
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Old May 1 2013, 01:45 PM   #21
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Given that what we've seen of STID so far, Eve's moment in her skivvies is played far more for laughs than any kind of titilation. It's meant to make Kirk uncomfortable and for us to guffaw at his complete inability to leer. So, it's actually turning the trope on its ear rather than playing such a scene straight.

Similarly, when Uhura comes back to her quarters in the first picture, it's Kirk who shows the most skin. I'm not going to claim that these movies are at all sexually enlightened, but the faux outrage on display here is more than a little overwrought.
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Old May 1 2013, 04:41 PM   #22
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Clearly if there is any sexism in this movie then old school Trek should LOVE that he is tipping his cap to TOS which was full of stereotypical sexist characters.

"Despite these progressive overtures, there are many examples of sexism in Star Trek as well. There was no female captain in the role of lead character until Captain Janeway in the Voyager series. Women in The Next Generation were mostly relegated to nurturing functions, a doctor and a counselor being the two most prominent female characters. In the Original Series women were prohibited from being Starship captains and wore revealing outfits."
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Old May 1 2013, 05:07 PM   #23
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Sexist? Sure, I guess if you're some sort of a useless Sensitive Sally it would probably be sexist.
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Old May 1 2013, 05:35 PM   #24
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I keep seeing comments in TBBS from fans who want a series on HBO/SHO/MAX so they can do nudity, among other things.

Surely it's not the same group of fans who are complaining about Alice in Underpants ...
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Old May 1 2013, 09:41 PM   #25
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Clearly if there is any sexism in this movie then old school Trek should LOVE that he is tipping his cap to TOS which was full of stereotypical sexist characters.

"Despite these progressive overtures, there are many examples of sexism in Star Trek as well. There was no female captain in the role of lead character until Captain Janeway in the Voyager series. Women in The Next Generation were mostly relegated to nurturing functions, a doctor and a counselor being the two most prominent female characters. In the Original Series women were prohibited from being Starship captains and wore revealing outfits."
Still, in its original run, what did we talk about? A romantic relationship with Chakotay. Kate Mulgrew's hair. The audience hasn't helped even when it shows characters in power positions. It's no different than keeping Deanna Troi in a catsuit that shows off her breasts and chest every episode. She may be a terrific counselor, and she is in a nurturing role, but she is there for men to be distracted by her beauty as well. And every episode where she is featured, she is either pregnant, in a relationship with the wrong man, or she's highly emotional.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:46 PM   #26
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There you go, she's all covered up now
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Old May 1 2013, 09:47 PM   #27
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Still, in its original run, what did we talk about? A romantic relationship with Chakotay. Kate Mulgrew's hair. The audience hasn't helped even when it shows characters in power positions. It's no different than keeping Deanna Troi in a catsuit that shows off her breasts and chest every episode. She may be a terrific counselor, and she is in a nurturing role, but she is there for men to be distracted by her beauty as well.
It's interesting that in other sci-fi women had more prominent command roles. Starship Troopers comes to mind - women in combat dressed the same as the men. Women in command did the same.

Who can forget the shower seen in Troopers?
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Old May 1 2013, 10:20 PM   #28
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