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Old April 30 2013, 06:49 PM   #736
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Re: Once Upon A Time - Season 2 Thread

I always thought the series would end when Henry taught Regina that love was the most potent force in the universe.

Then I wondered if it would be Snow who had to teach that to Regina, since Snow was instrumental in tearing Regina's life apart.

Now, watching how Regina wants to believe in her own innate goodness SINCE pre-massacre Snow believes in it... an watch it crumble without Snow's belief, watching the same thing happen with Mr. Gold and Belle/Lacey... now I wonder if these two will only reform when THEY want to do so, now when Henry, or Snow, or Belle, or Bae want them to do so.

The problem is... they are making these two so vile that one wonders if TPTB will ever / can ever let these two reform. If so, are TPTB telling us don't bother to change, its impossible?
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Old April 30 2013, 11:38 PM   #737
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Rumplestiltskin will be reformed, sort of, he'll always be bad ass. His bad turn now is strictly due to Regina hexing up Lacey.

But Regina has to leave Snow, Charming, Emma, Baelfire and Henry to their happy ever after. The only way she can be redeemed is through death.
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Old May 1 2013, 10:28 AM   #738
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Not necessarily, they could do a memory wipe.
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Old May 1 2013, 12:10 PM   #739
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She doesn't have to be redeemed, and she doesn't have to die, why can't she just muddle through?

Regina is not theoretically evil anymore, you know giant plots, bloodlines and pageantry, this woman sends thugs into little villages to murders everyone like it was Cambodia in the 70s. Who knows how many hundreds of serfs she executed every month?

If you put your step daughter into a coma with a poison apple, some one rings social services, but if you're tyrannical warlord with the blood of tens of thousands on your hands, someone calls the A-Team.

George died in 1994.

That was a while back.
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Old May 1 2013, 01:23 PM   #740
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I honestly think that what the audience sees as the writers giving Regina a chance at redemption is in fact merely the writers making it clear that, despite this show being about fairytale characters, there's no 'black and white' good or evil. IOW, they're portraying good characters as having the potential to do bad things and evil characters like Regina as having the potential to do good things.
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Old May 1 2013, 01:58 PM   #741
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"I have a magic button that will kill every one, I'm going to kill everyone, then go home to fairy land and then periodically strip my child's memories until he stops asking questions that make me feel like a baddie."

I like the gray, but this episode is written by a moron who wasn't told about the gray.
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Old May 1 2013, 02:44 PM   #742
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If you put your step daughter into a coma with a poison apple, some one rings social services, but if you're tyrannical warlord with the blood of tens of thousands on your hands, someone calls the A-Team.

George died in 1994.

That was a while back.
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Old May 2 2013, 05:40 AM   #743
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I don't know anymore what to feel about Regina, one episode I just feel sorry for her because Snow always messes everything up when she's trying to be good and I just want to give her a hug.

And then comes an episode like these when I get to see just how plain and simply evil she is, standing over the corpses of her victims with an insane glitter in her eyes saying she is doing good...

I'm not saying she is being written badly, just that she is walking a rope so thin she falls down several times a week and sometimes just doesn't care any longer.

But the best part was the nod to everyone who can't figure out if Emma has superpowers or not:
"Your superpower has been known to be unreliable, Emma. Especially when you are emotional." - Mary Margaret
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Old May 2 2013, 09:41 AM   #744
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Yeah, I was thinking that they must read TrekBBS.
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Old May 6 2013, 03:47 AM   #745
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Wow great episode tonight. Rumple is going to go nuts finding out he lost his son again.

I bet Neil ends up at Neverland again though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVngV1J_mfA for a sneek preview for next week final.


So cant wait.
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Old May 6 2013, 03:50 AM   #746
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Holy War!!

Loved Regina's Disney commercial.
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Old May 6 2013, 04:42 AM   #747
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Cross-posted:
I didn't see who wrote this ep, but what they delivered was awesomeness on a Joss Whedon-esque level.

There's so much to talk about, it's hard to know where to start, but I think I'll start with the twist on the classic Peter Pan story that was presented to us, and branch out from there.

I don't know who here is familiar with Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson's Starcatchers novel series, but there were a number of things about tonight's ep and the writers' take on the Peter Pan story that reminded me of that series, the biggest one being the nature of the Shadow. It's almost as if the writers took the character of Lord Ombra from the Starcatchers series and merged him with Peter Pan, which, quite frankly, is a stroke of brilliance.

Making the Darlings Bae's foster family was another stroke of brilliance, and Bae making the sacrificial gesture of going with the Shadow really strengthened his character, especially when you consider that he makes the same type of gesture later on as an adult with Emma.

I also loved the way the writers answered the question of how Bae/Neal knew Hook; I so totally wasn't expecting things to go down as they did, and I'm really intrigued as to what Hook and the Jolly Roger were doing in our world to begin with.

I'm a die-hard SwanThief, Rumbelle, and Snowing shipper, and loved the moments/developments for the three ships that tonight's ep gave us. My heart especially broke for Emma when Neal basically did for her the same thing he did as a teen for Wendy and her brothers and let go in order to close the portal that Tamara opened.

Speaking of, she and Greg are basically 'Anti-Starcatchers', which is awesome. What's also awesome about these two is that the writers had us as an audience believing that Tamara was the bigger threat individually, only to reveal that Greg's worse than she is.

The end with Regina and the Charmings was also great, and a perfect example of the old adage 'The enemy of mine enemy is my friend'.

This coming week is going to be excruciating because of how this ep set up the finale and what, based on the promo, the writers have planned for that ep (which, based just on the promo, sounds like it might rival Becoming and The Gift when it comes to epicness).
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Old May 6 2013, 05:24 AM   #748
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and I'm really intrigued as to what Hook and the Jolly Roger were doing in our world to begin with.
That wasn't our world. That was the sea surrounding Neverland.
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Old May 6 2013, 05:57 AM   #749
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^ Are you sure? It looked to me like Bae and The Shadow were still near London.
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Old May 6 2013, 07:15 AM   #750
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Considering that it was only after the shadow launched himself and Bae up towards a certain star and vanished, and only after Bae saw Neverland -- which he called by name -- on the horizon, that he started to squirm to break free and fall into the sea... Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's certain.

Nevermind the island with the giant mountain on it. Which I'm pretty sure isn't a London landmark.

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