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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS"
Geronimo! 39 33.05%
Good 46 38.98%
Average 24 20.34%
Not worth salvaging 7 5.93%
This episode should have stayed in the center of the TARDIS 2 1.69%
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Old April 30 2013, 11:21 PM   #226
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Re: 7X10 Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS(Grading/Discussion)(SPOIL

I may be alone in this, but it seems to me like Doctor/River is more of a 'best friends' thing. Two people who care a lot for each other, and maybe have even had a few nights of passion, but know it would never work out and just kind of enjoy the time they have together when they are together. I've been there, I know that feel. It isn't true love, and they're both aware of it, which adds to the melancholy that the Doctor can't help but bring to their relationship with his knowledge of how it ends for her. Plus, the 'marriage' was such a cop-out that I can't take it seriously.
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Old May 1 2013, 02:35 AM   #227
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I love and enjoy women .
But the Doctor can't? M'kay...
Considering the intensity of the argument, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but here goes:

I'm sure the Doctor would love and enjoy women, except for the fact that all the Time Ladies are dead. All he has left are the females of an extremely inferior, less-evolved species (humans). For the Doctor to consort with a human female would be like a human man consorting with an orangutan or chimpanzee female. (and consider that humans and chimps are far more closely-related than humans and Time Lords---at least chimps have roughly the same reproductive organs )

Now, the Doctor certainly does have other feelings towards humans: affection, pride, etc., much like a person may feel that way towards a beloved dog. But the person wouldn't dream of entering into a romantic relationship with a dog. (or at least, I hope not)

If people want to assume that the Doctor and Romana were knocking boots in the TARDIS, that would make total sense. But the Doctor and a human would seem more like bestiality to me than an actual romantic relationship.

Anyway, in conclusion, I have no problem with the Doctor being romantic. But doing so with a highly-primitive species seems weird to me.
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Old May 1 2013, 02:50 AM   #228
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I've long since taken it as read that the Doctor did have a sex life - he's got a granddaughter, so obviously - but he was old when we first met him, and had long since grown out of that - I know, that's a bit patronising, because we all know sixty or seventy year olds who are still very active, but still...
He understands it, he remembers doing it, he has this vague recollection of how it once seemed as overwhelmingly important to him as it still does to all these youngsters he hangs around with, but all the same... he's got more interesting things to do, and is quite glad of that (and even more grateful that he didn't have a facebook account back when he was that young and silly... ;-)).
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Old May 1 2013, 03:17 AM   #229
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River said she would age backwards to confuse people.

It's more than possible that Tomelords only age when they want to, and that Hartnel's Dr looked liked like Hartnell because it was in his interest to do so and not an inescapability.
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Old May 1 2013, 03:31 AM   #230
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I don't mind if the Doctor is shown having some kind of intimate relations but I'm not crazy about it being with his companions. The Doctor seems to me is like a crazy uncle or something that has these incredible adventures. I would think kids imagine going off of the TARDIS with the Doctor taking them to amazing, sometimes scary places. I guess in my mind I just find it easier without that baggage. He's visiting them as kids, he has them stuck in his box in unfamiliar places and so on, I don't really want to see that be creepy.
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Old May 1 2013, 03:49 AM   #231
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He's also, you know, married and stuff.
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Old May 1 2013, 04:12 AM   #232
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^Must have been awkward for him when his ultra hot mother in law was hitting on him after their adventure with the Angels.

This episode was average for me, and I didn't like the reset button ending. But seeing the Eye of Harmony was a nice touch, and I enjoyed the library, and the history of the Time War book. Jenna continues to be delightful. I really like her.
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He's also, you know, married and stuff.
See above. The wedding was symbolic at most, while she is far from a consistent presence in his life and in many cases he is encountering a version from before said wedding. He may live the rest of his life without ever encountering a version of her that is 'married', and he certainly can't divorce someone who hasn't married him yet. At what point is he allowed to move on in your eyes?
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Old May 1 2013, 06:41 AM   #234
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I may be alone in this, but it seems to me like Doctor/River is more of a 'best friends' thing. Two people who care a lot for each other, and maybe have even had a few nights of passion, but know it would never work out and just kind of enjoy the time they have together when they are together. I've been there, I know that feel. It isn't true love, and they're both aware of it, which adds to the melancholy that the Doctor can't help but bring to their relationship with his knowledge of how it ends for her. Plus, the 'marriage' was such a cop-out that I can't take it seriously.
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He's also, you know, married and stuff.
See above. The wedding was symbolic at most, while she is far from a consistent presence in his life and in many cases he is encountering a version from before said wedding. He may live the rest of his life without ever encountering a version of her that is 'married', and he certainly can't divorce someone who hasn't married him yet. At what point is he allowed to move on in your eyes?
Agreed. They're flirty and get a kick out of each other but their lives are too out-of-sync to be considered a real married couple. They had a chance to travel as husband and wife at the end of "Angels Take Manhattan", but she declined. There's only room for one psychopath at a time on the TARDIS she said.

And even if they are genuinely and truly married, what are the rules of said marriage? Perhaps Timelords are polygamists. Maybe a marriage is less about sex and more about a partnership in title and landholding. We mustn't apply rules from human culture to what is essentially an alien relationship.
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Old May 1 2013, 07:13 AM   #235
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Considering the intensity of the argument, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but here goes:

I'm sure the Doctor would love and enjoy women, except for the fact that all the Time Ladies are dead. All he has left are the females of an extremely inferior, less-evolved species (humans). For the Doctor to consort with a human female would be like a human man consorting with an orangutan or chimpanzee female. (and consider that humans and chimps are far more closely-related than humans and Time Lords---at least chimps have roughly the same reproductive organs )

Now, the Doctor certainly does have other feelings towards humans: affection, pride, etc., much like a person may feel that way towards a beloved dog. But the person wouldn't dream of entering into a romantic relationship with a dog. (or at least, I hope not)

If people want to assume that the Doctor and Romana were knocking boots in the TARDIS, that would make total sense. But the Doctor and a human would seem more like bestiality to me than an actual romantic relationship.

Anyway, in conclusion, I have no problem with the Doctor being romantic. But doing so with a highly-primitive species seems weird to me.
Isn't Madame Vastra married to a human? And that cat guy in the episode where Martha got kidnapped had a human wife. And Captain Jack is "51st century guy" pansexual and all.

I see no ethical problem for the Doctor to be with a human.
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Old May 1 2013, 11:54 AM   #236
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Leela married a Timelord.

Lenora Crichlow is not just some girl!

Jack frakks kitchen brickabrack?
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Old May 1 2013, 12:18 PM   #237
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River said she would age backwards to confuse people.
Rule #2, River also lies

And Jack frakks anything that moves and maybe a few things that don't.
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And Captain Jack is "51st century guy" pansexual and all.
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...only if it has a non-stick coating.
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Isn't Madame Vastra married to a human?
I thought they were simply involved, not married.
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