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View Poll Results: Did you like the Gorn in the new Star Trek game?
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Old April 30 2013, 11:42 AM   #16
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Re: Reimagined Gorn

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I like the idea too, but it's harder to rationalize the distances involved here!
The Kelvans made it to the Milky Way.
True. But if the Gorn had the tech, why didn't they show up before the Helios Device opened the Rip?

(Oh. Obvious answer: They didn't have the patience the Kelvans did. The peaceful schismatics who colonized our galaxy did.)

They misplaced it. Oh yeah, another stretch.
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Old April 30 2013, 11:41 PM   #17
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Re: Reimagined Gorn

Yeah, add me to the list that is wondering what they were smoking when coming up with the new Gorn. It is ridiculous to thing that Nero showing up would change an entire culture's history, look, etc etc. Very, very sloppy.

I'm just going to consider them the Gorn version of the Romulans. They split off from the Alpha Quadrant Gorn sometime in the past.
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Old May 3 2013, 03:10 PM   #18
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Re: Reimagined Gorn

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Also, I am probably one of the few that feels this timeline has always been different, even as far back as the Kelvin.
No, you're not actually. I always felt like the JJverse was never the "Prime" Universe. It was it's own Independent timeline, that had some common event's with the prime universe, but was still it's own separate universe, not born out of Nero and Spock "Prime" 's accidental incursion.
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Old May 3 2013, 08:10 PM   #19
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Also, I am probably one of the few that feels this timeline has always been different, even as far back as the Kelvin.
No, you're not actually. I always felt like the JJverse was never the "Prime" Universe. It was it's own Independent timeline, that had some common event's with the prime universe, but was still it's own separate universe, not born out of Nero and Spock "Prime" 's accidental incursion.

That is clearly not was portrayed nor has been stated by JJ Abrams. The timeline was the prime timeline that branched off the day of Kirk's birth. In the novelization based of the official script, when Spock first encounters Scotty he comments that it is evidence the timeline is attempting to "correct" itself.


Abrams on the alternate time line:

ABRAMS: "Here’s the thing… I think the key to that was, first of all, it was one of those things that not everyone even cares about or understands the timeline of it all. The notion that when this one character, Nero, arrives in his ship, that basically the timeline is altered at that moment, so everything forward is essentially an alternative timeline. That is not to say that everything that happened in The Original Series doesn’t exist. I think, as a fan of movies and shows, if someone told me the beloved thing for me was gone, I would be upset. But we didn’t do that. We’re not saying that what happened in that original series wasn’t good, true, valid, righteous and real. Let people embrace that. We’re not rejecting that. That, to me, would have been the big mistake. We’re simply saying that, "At this moment, the very first scene in the first movie, everything that people knew of Star Trek splits off into now another timeline.

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Old May 10 2013, 09:17 AM   #20
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I was just glad they went with the Gorn as the villain instead of doing the safe thing and using Romulans or Klingons. I kinda agree with the radically changing the Gorn origins, but since this is the new timeline I am fine with it. Also, I am probably one of the few that feels this timeline has always been different, even as far back as the Kelvin.
I also think this. I think it is a different universe, long before Nero and Spock showed up.
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Old May 10 2013, 01:00 PM   #21
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I was just glad they went with the Gorn as the villain instead of doing the safe thing and using Romulans or Klingons. I kinda agree with the radically changing the Gorn origins, but since this is the new timeline I am fine with it. Also, I am probably one of the few that feels this timeline has always been different, even as far back as the Kelvin.
I also think this. I think it is a different universe, long before Nero and Spock showed up.
SPOILER Below........





































Sorry to burst your bubble but they make a point of it being the same again in the new movie. When the big reveal of John Harrison being Khan takes place, guess what? They go to the old Spock for information on Khan, thus JJ making another tie to original timeline. One of many throughout this movie. It's the same universe and timeline right up to Nero. The fanboy service is incredible in this regard and I am one of the ones glad they built the new movieverse this way but all the history inlcluding the Gorn remain intact from the original until the branch.

You may think this but clearly the creators of the new movies are bending over backwards to tie old and new together as this being a derivative of the original timeline and everything that occurred up to the point of Nero's arrival being intact.

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Old May 10 2013, 01:27 PM   #22
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^I suggest spoiler tagging that ASAP for those who would rather learn of it in the cinema than from you.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:08 PM   #23
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^I suggest spoiler tagging that ASAP for those who would rather learn of it in the cinema than from you.

Spoiler tagged now. Sorry, just trying a little zealous in showing what a 60 dollar piece of crap this game was and how screwed up they are in Trek lore and the Gorn. You know the game producers could of made it easy by saying this is in game continuity only and has no ties to Trek canon or movieverse continuity.

They made different choices for commercial purposes wanting to ride the coat tails of the movies but lacked the effort and unwilling to make the investment to make sure there was continuity with canon. On top, the games graphics and mechanics were dated, clunky, and buggy.
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Old May 22 2013, 08:22 AM   #24
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I haven't played the game but I liked the new Gorn portrayal. We'll always have the classic Gorn around (My favorite depiction being in Starfleet Command), but these new guys are distinct and intimidating in a way that wasn't possible in the 1960s. Hopefully we'll see more of them in the future... didn't like how much of the TOS races were sidelined after the 1980s.

Also my own pet theory on the changes of distance, race depiction, etx comes from Red Matter time-travelling. It's unstable on imperceptible levels, and the very act of moving it back in time caused many subtle shifts from genetic development to the roll of a die across the entire universe. Seems big enough of a handwave to justify all these physics changes anyway.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:39 PM   #25
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Re: Reimagined Gorn

I voted yes but it's not 100% a yes.
Good for the body:

Although maybe downscale it a wee bit.

I'd loose the head spikes/quills though, needs a head more like this:

At least the top of the head, I do like the redesign's mouth, definitely alien.

As for their tech, rubbish, the way they travel around? Sure, but the look and feel, naaaaaaah.
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Old May 31 2013, 06:05 AM   #26
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The Game is in continuity with Bad Robot Star Trek not Prime Star Trek.

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Old June 1 2013, 02:21 PM   #27
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I like the look of the reimagined Gorn a lot. As much as the ENT/TOS Gorn has its charms, the video game Gorn look far more lethal.

I haven't played the game but I'm wondering if the new origin for the Gorn was something that happened recently or centuries ago? I mean if they came to the Alpha Quadrant centuries ago I think it might work better than saying it was something recent. Then again, even if they came recently, it could just be something we hadn't heard about. I mean, it's not like the Abrams Trek movies covered a lot of time or went into detail about intergalactic politics. And if they kept that new origin for the original series, perhaps the Gorn were tangling with other species or powers before "Arena" and that's why they weren't mentioned.

Is there any good place on the net to find information about the new Gorn? I also would like to see more of the different castes and ships and weapons.
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Old June 1 2013, 08:52 PM   #28
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I haven't played the game but I'm wondering if the new origin for the Gorn was something that happened recently or centuries ago?
Their arrival in the Alpha Quadrant is seen in the game.
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Old June 1 2013, 09:16 PM   #29
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Okay. Thanks. That doesn't work for me. If they were going that route I wish it had been something that had happened a while ago.

Though I guess it could have happened in the Prime Universe but the Gorn either didn't make as much of an impact upon arrival, weren't as aggressive towards the Federation, or were entangled fighting someone else.
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Old October 30 2013, 10:20 PM   #30
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I love the redesign and origins of the Gorn in this one!

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Tie in games and books have never been considered canon before. Don't see any reason to start now.
Orci and a at least one Paramount exec pretty much said it's canon and takes place before Into Darkness. There is also a line in the movie by McCoy that links to a line said by him in the game regarding the emergency c-section.

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Thousands of years ago, the Gorn could've suffered a cultural split much like the Vulcans/Romulans. One group set out to find a new home and ended up in our galaxy. Beginning anew.

And the Gorn velociraptor from Enterprise seemed much quicker than his TOS counterpart.

Easy as pie.
Yeah, either the Gorn in the Milky Way are descended from the Gorn from the other galaxy due to willing relocation, some form of abduction, banishment or they went through some portal or wormhole a very long time ago and got stranded. It could explain why most of the Gorn look the same in the Milky Way is because they were one of the many species of Gorn and that particular caste/species found themselves in our galaxy. These local Gorn are more civilized obviously maybe so because they were "alone" now.

One thing that I found out that I never thought about either was the similarities between the Helios Device and Genesis. Almost kind of a reference back to the Prime universe which was kind of neat.
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