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Old April 27 2013, 05:51 PM   #16
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Re: Commander Sela's insanely stupid plan to conquer Vulcan

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fore. It makes more sense than seizing strategic positions. Hurm.
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I fully believe in the theory that the Romulan High Command only OK-ed this plan to set up Sela to be foiled so they'd have a reason to get rid of her once and for all.
But this makes so much more sense.
I believe Sela never appeared again, she must haven't managed to sell any more evil plans.

She probably is doing forced labor in Remus nowadays.
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Old April 27 2013, 06:23 PM   #17
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Remus and Romulus are no more...last I saw Sela, some powerful unknown species grabbed her (Star Trek Online. i'm on the Cardassian missions now so if her story is resolved, I don't know about it)
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Old April 27 2013, 11:07 PM   #18
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There's really very little to suggests Vulcans are pacifists. We've seen them in Starfleet waging war, we know there's a Vulcan intelligence agency that seems to have armed agents and we've seen them engage in ritual combat. They may not enjoy (or more likely, pretend not to enjoy) a fight the way Andorians or Klingons do, but pacifists they are not.
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Old April 29 2013, 10:44 AM   #19
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Or perhaps they are of the type of pacifist that recognizes the futility of eliminating fighting and instead believes in minimizing fighting, through application of extreme overkill? I'd hate to wage war against logical Vulcans who put no weight on the illogical history or obscure traditions of warfare, and may at any moment decide to go way beyond ruthless to arrive at their chosen goal in the conflict.

Okay, so they do have some historical ballast of their own when it comes to fighting. But while they may bring a lirpa to a gunfight, they will also be sure to remember to bring an H-bomb, and bushido be damned.

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Old April 29 2013, 09:43 PM   #20
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Or perhaps they are of the type of pacifist that recognizes the futility of eliminating fighting and instead believes in minimizing fighting, through application of extreme overkill?

and bushido be damned.
Reading this I picture Surak finally loosing his cool and going like "How can you be deaf with ears like that!?"
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Old April 30 2013, 12:41 AM   #21
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A invasion with only three ships with 2000 "Troops" With surprise on it side
ever read Red Strom Rising the USSR invasion of Iceland
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Old April 30 2013, 12:47 AM   #22
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A invasion with only three ships with 2000 "Troops" With surprise on it side
ever read Red Strom Rising the USSR invasion of Iceland
How did that end again?
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Old April 30 2013, 01:04 AM   #23
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Not well for the USSR but it was a insane plan too but Iceland was occupied

Sela plan may have workd if only for maybe a week or two
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Old April 30 2013, 01:21 AM   #24
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Sela plan was domed because it call for three real Vulcan cargo ships

Not federation looking cargo ship made in the romulan star empire and had to use the Unification movement as cover for a suprprise invasion
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Old April 30 2013, 01:43 AM   #25
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Sela's plan:

1) Send three ships to Vulcan
2) ?
3) Profit
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Old April 30 2013, 09:48 AM   #26
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Sela plan was domed because it call for three real Vulcan cargo ships
But the thing is, it didn't.

The plan was to send Romulan "peace envoys" to Vulcan. Vulcans would know they would be Romulans coming from Romulus. So there'd be no point in not sending them in Romulan ships.

Indeed, using old Vulcan ships would just confuse the issue and make everybody suspicious: why are these Romulan peace envoys using old Vulcan ships? Where did they get them? If they are space pirates who steal Vulcan ships, how can they be taken seriously as peace envoys?

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Old April 30 2013, 10:30 AM   #27
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Vulcans vs. Romulans = Non Interference Policy = A strictly internal matter.

Starfleet, and all Vulcans in Star Fleet have to take a step back from any Romulan occupation of Vulcan.

Vulcan would have to withdraw from the Federation, or most to all of the Vulcan's in Starfleet would have to resign their Starfleet Commissions which would drastically weaken the Federation, opening the Neutral Zone like a flower licked by the first drip of morning sunlight.

This loophole would not come into effect until the Romulan ships made landfall and there were boots on the ground.
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Old April 30 2013, 10:51 AM   #28
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Of course, the smart way to do it would have been to put actual Romulan diplomats on those Vulcan ships who actually thought they were working for reunification. And put all the soldiers on the freaking cloaked warbird that had managed to sneak into Federation space.

That way, it all looks legit.
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Old April 30 2013, 10:58 AM   #29
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But with Vulcan as a Federation member, wouldn't Starfleet be obligated to help defend the planet? Though that might require Vulcan to formally make the request followed by a vote in the Federation Council.
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Sela plan was domed because it call for three real Vulcan cargo ships
But the thing is, it didn't.

The plan was to send Romulan "peace envoys" to Vulcan. Vulcans would know they would be Romulans coming from Romulus. So there'd be no point in not sending them in Romulan ships.

Indeed, using old Vulcan ships would just confuse the issue and make everybody suspicious: why are these Romulan peace envoys using old Vulcan ships? Where did they get them? If they are space pirates who steal Vulcan ships, how can they be taken seriously as peace envoys?

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And then what? The Federation would just stand by while one of their founding worlds was occupied by a couple thousand evil-doers?
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